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Kingston SSD $39.99

Kingston SSDNow V300 120 GB drives only $39.99
Includes "free shipping"

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820721107


There's no telling how long this price will last or if it can go even lower.

I already have a bunch of these in service but I'm ordering more today just to give away as Christmas presents.
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  • Be sure to read the "one-egg" reviews before buying ...

    -Phil
  • Very few satisfied users bother to write reviews. The fact that it actually has over 800 is remarkable. That means they've probably sold many thousands of them. A hundred or so highly ticked off (and therefore motivated) buyers isn't surprising, nor is the fact that many of their complaints are irrelevant. I like the ones that complain about how slow it is, as if they should get top of the line Samsung EVO performance for under $50...
  • Even moderate speed is a nice gain over disk seek times.

    The real worry on these is write life and how it fails.

    Cheap SSD drives are worth it, just plan on 2 years, and monitor it. They work, until they don't, and you often get very little warning.
  • ercoerco Posts: 20,256
    Are SSDs mostly interchangeable? The little Toshiba CL45 laptop just I got for the twins only has a 32GB SSD, which is just sad, it's not even big enough for Win10 to update itself without adding a flashdrive. 120GB of SSD would be a significant increase.

    This laptop is not designed for user servicing, though. It's totally sealed on the bottom, there are no access hatches to add/change memory or the SSD. And get this: even the battery is built-in. You can't remove it.

    They claim 7-hour battery life, it might be close to that. Very nice little unit for simple needs: internet, email, streaming video, and of course, programming microcontrollers.
  • evanhevanh Posts: 15,917
    edited 2015-12-21 03:07
    If http://laptoping.com/specs/product/toshiba-satellite-cl45-c4370/ is anything to go by then it's an eMMC chip. That almost certainly means it's soldered directly.

    In case that's not the right model, pluggable types would be 2.5" SATA drive, mSATA card, or M2 card.
  • abecedarianabecedarian Posts: 312
    edited 2015-12-21 03:07
    erco wrote: »
    Are SSDs mostly interchangeable? The little Toshiba CL45 laptop just I got for the twins only has a 32GB SSD, which is just sad, it's not even big enough for Win10 to update itself without adding a flashdrive. 120GB of SSD would be a significant increase.

    This laptop is not designed for user servicing, though. It's totally sealed on the bottom, there are no access hatches to add/change memory or the SSD. And get this: even the battery is built-in. You can't remove it.

    They claim 7-hour battery life, it might be close to that. Very nice little unit for simple needs: internet, email, streaming video, and of course, programming microcontrollers.
    I've mentioned elsewhere my tablet with 32GB eMMC drive is sufficient updated from Win8 to 8.1 to 10 without much issue. An other tablet here, the one I wrote up a quick how to do Win10 on, which has a 16GB eMMC drive was a little more problematic but I was able to work around things. Both now run the "latest" Win10 (outside of the 'Insider' builds).

    I even have my wife's cell phone running Win10, and it has but a mere 8GB.
  • ercoerco Posts: 20,256
    @evanh: Yes, that's the one.

    @abecedarian: You had far better results than I did. The Win10 Threshold2 update bricked this 32GB laptop, the Office Depot wizards couldn't revive it and gave me a new one, so I'm a little Win-shy. I've turned off automatic updates until I hear from Toshiba about what went wrong.

    To my way of thinking, it's an obscene waste of memory when a brand new 32GB SSD computer (no programs installed) couldn't download and install an update without having a 16GB USB stick installed. Then bricks itself after 6 hours of futile downloading/installing.
  • erco wrote: »
    @abecedarian: You had far better results than I did. The Win10 Threshold2 update bricked this 32GB laptop, the Office Depot wizards couldn't revive it and gave me a new one, so I'm a little Win-shy. I've turned off automatic updates until I hear from Toshiba about what went wrong.

    To my way of thinking, it's an obscene waste of memory when a brand new 32GB SSD computer (no programs installed) couldn't download and install an update without having a 16GB USB stick installed. Then bricks itself after 6 hours of futile downloading/installing.
    OD geeks are idiots.


    I alluded to it previously, that Win8/8.1 uses "WIMBOOT", which is a compressed system directory, if you will, and updates are overlain on that. It posed a problem for early Win10 releases, but that's supposedly been resolved with the November update to Win10. The closest I came to being "bricked" was my fault for not having created recovery media out of the box and instead had to rely on Toshiba shipping the USB recovery stick to me. And even then, it wasn't required- I wanted it "just in case."

  • ercoerco Posts: 20,256
    Amen, Brother abee. The first thing I did when I got the new computer was to make a recovery drive. I do miss the old days when computers came with a system recovery DVD. The times they are a-changin'.
  • I have external hard drive where I used as my back up.
  • erco wrote: »
    Amen, Brother abee. The first thing I did when I got the new computer was to make a recovery drive. I do miss the old days when computers came with a system recovery DVD. The times they are a-changin'.
    Rather silly, I think, that the MFG saves a few pence by not shipping recovery media with the device, but charges upwards of $25 to supply you with it if you require.
  • RDL2004 wrote: »
    Kingston SSDNow V300 120 GB drives only $39.99
    Includes "free shipping"

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820721107


    There's no telling how long this price will last or if it can go even lower.

    I already have a bunch of these in service but I'm ordering more today just to give away as Christmas presents.

    Thanks for the heads up, Rick. I have about a dozen of these in service myself. While I have a couple of spares, it'll be good to stock up for the next line build.
  • Huh. Maybe I spoke too soon. I'm seeing them back up to $48.00.
  • Well, I did say no telling how long.

    If you have an account and they know your e-mail address they should notify you anytime an item on one of your wishlists goes on sale. So just make a "wishlist" with that item on it. I've seen them on sale for that price several times.

  • Ron CzapalaRon Czapala Posts: 2,418
    edited 2015-12-23 20:34
    Not sure I would be comfortable with a SSD hosting my operating system but I did just get a SanDisk Extreme 500 USB 3.0 240GB SSD drive.

    Just got it today and am impressed so far.

    https://www.sandisk.com/home/ssd/extreme-500-ssd

    Storage: 240 GB
    Read Speed: up to 415 MB/S
    Write Speed: up to 340 MB/S
    Interface: USB 3.0

  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    Ron,

    Why not be comfortable with an SSD hosting your OS ?

    Putting the OS on to SSD is the single most cost effective and dramatic upgrade I have ever made to PC's. Far outstripping processor swaps, floating point processor additions (back in the 386 days), graphics card changes. Just so much quicker than spinning disks.

    The OS is not changing all the time so less concern about exceeding FLASH write limits.

  • Totally agree. Worth it. And just plan on a two or maybe few year life. An SSD fails really hard. That is the only real downside. When they quit, you may get nothing.

    I'm breaking that rule on a half terabyte one I got. It's fast, and I've used it really hard. This will be year four. It's got a streaming cloud backup and I've cloned the OS.

    Now it works, until it doesnt. Wonder how long? :]
  • Heater. wrote: »
    Ron,

    Why not be comfortable with an SSD hosting your OS ?

    Putting the OS on to SSD is the single most cost effective and dramatic upgrade I have ever made to PC's. Far outstripping processor swaps, floating point processor additions (back in the 386 days), graphics card changes. Just so much quicker than spinning disks.

    The OS is not changing all the time so less concern about exceeding FLASH write limits.

    If heard of SSD drives failing in dramatic fashion - sort of all or nothing. Disk drives can too but often they fail more gradually as bad sectors get walled off and the data moved to other areas of the disk.

    Maybe my fears are based on early issues - I need to study the subject more.

    Here is an interesting article discussing SSD vs. HDD: Performance and Reliability:
    http://www.enterprisestorageforum.com/storage-hardware/ssd-vs.-hdd-performance-and-reliability-1.html
  • potatoheadpotatohead Posts: 10,261
    edited 2015-12-24 00:18
    My one failure experience was ugly. Machine running, then glitching, then cold bios boot. Never saw anything from that SSD again. One moment it's a fast storage, the next a brick.

    I've nearly always gotten data recovered from hard disks. Sometimes a lot of work, but of you do the work, you get the data.

    I'm in agreement on the fail hard being an attribute of an SSD.

    So, I just, with this one exception to get another experience, consider them timed storage. Run em, clone em, and continue. Two to three years. I do big stuff on mine, and that's the interesting bit. For big VM images and other datasets, they are very fast. Love that. But, doing that stuff means tons of writes too. My SSD burn rate is higher than average. A few industry peers are the same way, and we all just run em and stop when the next great deal comes along.

    The one I have right now is really big and supposedly really overprovisioned. Got it for a song.

    No matter what I've done, it says "healthy" And it has been almost 4 years. Others have given a wear indication. What I want to know is how much over provisioning can matter.

    So, I'm actually curious. I'm gonna run it, until it dies. Could be years more, could be next week.

    Even with that unknown, I won't go back to a physical disk again. The SSD is just too good.

    The things are like crack for computer geeks. First hit is cheap, then you get hooked!
  • Cluso99Cluso99 Posts: 18,069
    I bit the bullet and have just a Samsung 120 GB SSD. Works wonders so I am looking for a cheaper smaller SSD for my less used laptop.

    You will never look back. And nothing beats good backup practices irrespective of what you are using.
  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    I don't know Ron, over the years I have had hard drives fail gradually which varies from annoying, if your OS can juggle around errors, to disaster, if it happens to be that file you have been working on for a week and forgotten to backup that is lost. And I have had sudden, catastrophic and total failures on enough occasions.

    Now I just assume that anything and everything can totally fail at any time. It's all disposable, the storage, the OS, heck the entire machine. Just now it's unlikely that such a drive failure stops me for more than an our or so as I slap in a replacement and re-image the OS.

    It helps that the speed of SSD makes replication and backup much quicker. It helps that anything important is replicated around the world, in github, bitbucket, dropbox, Amazon cloud instances...

    Admittedly failure of a laptop whilst travelling might be more troublesome...



  • I do an image backup of my PC to a 3TB Western Digital drive about once per month but critical files about every 1 or 2 days.
    I may have to try an SSD since the prices are coming down.

    I checked out the current draw on that new SanDisk portable SSD USB drive with one of those USB Charge Doctor units. It draws .14A.
    I was even able to use it on a LG 8" tablet I got recently - the tablet has a full size USB port in addition to the microsd charging/data port.


  • You should. It's a great upgrade.

    BTW, I have lost data on a moving disk during travel. Couple of times. The SSD is great for that reason alone. When I put my laptop on passive cooling, no moving parts.
  • I do an image backup of my PC to a 3TB Western Digital drive about once per month but critical files about every 1 or 2 days.
    I may have to try an SSD since the prices are coming down.

    I checked out the current draw on that new SanDisk portable SSD USB drive with one of those USB Charge Doctor units. It draws .14A.
    I was even able to use it on a LG 8" tablet I got recently - the tablet has a full size USB port in addition to the microsd charging/data port.




    Purchased a couple of dozen WD HDDs over the year's, every new computer gets at least three, only had two failures and both were catastrophic, no warning. WD covered one in warranty. What ever happen to RAID?
  • ercoerco Posts: 20,256
    Today a computer tech told me to never defrag a SSD as that will significantly shorten its life, even that it shouldn't be possible. Does Windows or the SSD firmware prevent that?
  • kwinnkwinn Posts: 8,697
    erco wrote: »
    Today a computer tech told me to never defrag a SSD as that will significantly shorten its life, even that it shouldn't be possible. Does Windows or the SSD firmware prevent that?

    Don't know if Windows or the SSD firmware prevents it, but it makes sense that an SSD should not be defragmented. Defragmenting a hard drive involves a lot of reading and writing blocks of data, and writing to an SSD is what wears it out.

    Defragmenting a mechanical hard drive is done to reduce the need for time consuming head movement by making the file contiguous. An SSD only needs to update a memory address, which takes nanoseconds whether you are reading or writing the next block of data or a block anywhere else on the SSD.

  • Nope. If you defrag a lot, you will reduce drive life. Lots of writes and lots of moving data for no significant gain.

  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    I don't believe a defrag will shorten and SSD life by any noticeable amount. So it moves blocks around a bit. No big deal.

    On the other hand, why do a defrag at all?

    defrag is all about collecting files into contiguous blocks ready for high speed reading by hard drives. The idea is to minimize track and sector seek time. I.e waiting for the heads to move and the disk to spin round.

    An SSD has none of that so there is no point in defrag.

    I'm sure the SSD has no idea if your OS is doing a defrag. All it knows about is blocks. You could be using Linux for all it knows.

    Does Windows prevent defrag on SSD? I have no idea. Last time I saw defrag happening it was something you had to do intentionally, on MS-DOS I think it was. Proper OS don't need that.

  • Windows 7 checks drive speed during install and sets up defrag to run automatically once a week. However, if a drive tests over a specific speed it is assumed that drive is an SSD and automatic defrag will not be set for that drive.
  • ercoerco Posts: 20,256
    RDL2004 wrote: »
    There's no telling how long this price will last or if it can go even lower.

    That's just how this hoarder started. :)

    But as we all know, tech products only get cheaper and faster with more memory. Just wait for the next sale.

    Don't be the last guy to stock up on killer deals on VHS tapes and 56K modems. :)

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