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Practice safer soldering

These enterprising young engineering graduates are wanting to revolutionise the art of soldering.
https://uwaterloo.ca/engineering/news/consumer-soldering-iron-capstone-design-winner-esch-awards

You can tell them what you feel about soldering here: http://goo.gl/forms/Uep9Qd0GiM

Sadly their current website is hopelessly devoid of any information: http://www.solderotter.com/




Comments

  • My only concerns about soldering safety are when I'm wearing shorts at the workbench.

    Now, I wonder what cognitive potential were destroyed by those fumes.....I coulda been a contender!!
  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    Yeah, don't do that!

    But these painful experiences generally do no lasting harm and are a valuable lesson in life.

    I could have been a contender to. In my case I think it was my experiments with glass blowing and making mercury switches back in high school that did me in.

    Have you ever had to walk across a crowded school yard at break time with 2 kilos of Mercury in a ceramic jar?
  • Aw nuts! I was hoping that bulge in the back was some sort of solder feeder/dispenser. Now that would really be useful. But no. It's merely a safety gizmo for sucking up fumes, thereby depriving me of the rosin smoke whose smell evokes pleasant recollections of projects past.

    -Phil
  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    Ah yes, Phil, it's the smell. That's almost exactly what wrote on the raspi forum where they announced this gizmo.
  • LoopyBytelooseLoopyByteloose Posts: 12,537
    edited 2015-09-15 15:23
    Try eating your way out of problems. Buy Chinese Mung Beans from your local Chinese food store.

    A. Soak a cup of Mung Beans overnight, then bring to a boil and let simmer until soft. Leave the green skins on.
    B. Add sugar to taste.

    You now have Mung Bean Soup, a classic Chinese dessert confection. And it seems that the green skins detoxify lead poisoning and poisoning from other heavy metals.

    This is also a hot weather treat iand you will notice a sudden cooling in your skin temperature. Maybe not wise to eat during winter season.
  • mindrobotsmindrobots Posts: 6,506
    edited 2015-09-15 15:31
    B. Add sugar to taste

    There may not be that much sugar in the world!!! :o)

    ...pleasant recollections of past projects and perhaps physiological longings for future projects???? :o)

    Mercury must have been safer when we were kids, we played with it all the time!! :o)

    Edit: Drat!! My simple text smiley faces get converted to strange beasts by the Vanilla Sky!
  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    I fear it's a bit to late to be cleaning the mercury and lead from my few remaining brain cells.
  • Heater. wrote: »
    I fear it's a bit to late to be cleaning the mercury and lead from my few remaining brain cells.

    If only we could combine mercury and lead to become Iron Man. :)
  • Probably mercury, lead and LOTS of alcohol......

    At least Iron Man doesn't wear tights, so we're safe there!

    Wait, are we off topic????
  • mixing mercury and aluminum was always one of my favorites
  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    I have begun to believe that alcohol is an essential part of human creativity and progress. It might also be an essential part of the human reproductive cycle.

    Don't believe me? Think of the Romans or the Greeks.

    Checkout the Greek symposiums : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symposium

    Find me anything created by tea-total societies.

    "LOTS of alcohol", perhaps a bad idea. One has to have respect for the power of chemistry.

    Now, what about that soldering thing... ?
  • Totally. A little buzz is often a good thing. A bigger one can be sometimes.

  • LoopyBytelooseLoopyByteloose Posts: 12,537
    edited 2015-09-18 10:43
    Creative tee-totaller??
    Philo Farnsworth was a good Mormon.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philo_Farnsworth

    It is not safe to drink alcohol or smoke tobacco around heavy metals. Naughty boys.
  • edited 2015-09-17 00:03
    "Ah for the good old days when men carried clubs and had braines the size of walnuts". Gary Larson
  • Heater. wrote: »
    I have begun to believe that alcohol is an essential part of human creativity and progress. It might also be an essential part of the human reproductive cycle.

    Don't believe me? Think of the Romans or the Greeks.

    Checkout the Greek symposiums : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Symposium

    Find me anything created by tea-total societies.

    "LOTS of alcohol", perhaps a bad idea. One has to have respect for the power of chemistry.

    Now, what about that soldering thing... ?

    I think it's been documented:
    652 x 592 - 91K
  • LoopyBytelooseLoopyByteloose Posts: 12,537
    edited 2015-09-18 10:42
    @Heater,
    When you get to regularly drinking about 24 bottles of beer per day, report back on how the quality of your thought has improved. And let us know how friends, family, and employers are enjoying your company.

    As far as Greek culture... maybe we could go back to attacking another city when enough men can't find a wife locally. And try going about your business in a bed sheet all day.

    There is nothing wrong with a moderate daily alcohol consumption. It is just a problem with the 10% of the population that consumes about 50% of the alcohol produced annually. About a third of that 10% never make it into recovery.

    And statistics indicate that roughly about half the population drink next to nothing on an annual basis. So it is something like this...
    50% tee-totallers
    40% socially acceptable drinkers
    10% drinkers unable to control their consumption.
  • In specific reply to the question of creative advances in teetotaler societies, the history of mathematics has a rather vast section of advances that were attributed to Muslim cultures.
  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    The Islamic world made huge advances in maths, astronomy and other sciences for 300 years or more. That is why we have "Arabic Numerals" and the Algebra and Algorithm etc.

    Then the religious fundamentalism took over. Science and maths were regarded as the work of the devil. Progress was halted, never to recover.

    I speculate the rules against having the odd tipple were not so strict in the preceding 300 years of development :)

    I don't know any muslims who aren't partial to the odd drink or more.

    As for the Greeks. Their "symposia" were organized meetings for debate and intellectual discourse. The "symposiarch" was in charge of the wine and supposed to keep proceedings under control.

    Academics continue the tradition of meetings and wine drinking to this day. Never been to a symposium?
  • LoopyBytelooseLoopyByteloose Posts: 12,537
    edited 2015-09-18 15:39
    I am aware of the Symposium. And that Oxford and Cambridge do provide wine with meals. The history of wine goes much further back. Jewish Passover predates the Greek history with wine being an important part of the festival. And of course, the Jewish Sabbath should always have wine. Chinese culture also ritualized wine very early on.

    But there is also a tendency of the alcohol and drug dependent person to rationalize that they perform better when the reality might be quite different.

    http://www.niaaa.nih.gov/alcohol-health/overview-alcohol-consumption/alcohol-facts-and-statistics

    As just about any bartender knows, the alcohol industry is based on the fact that after 3 drinks, most people will just stay the whole evening and drink themselves silly. Moderate drinkers are considered to be those that have one or two drinks per day.

    ++++++++
    Greek society had its frailties. Would you desire to live in the Spartan tradition? And then, Oedipus was a rather embarrassing mess. By the way, do you actually know why Sophocles was put on trial and condemned to death?

    It was the Macedonians that really did great things. Aristotile, is generally considered the father of science, logic, and much else. And his student, Alexander the Great went on to build the first great empire in the world.

    I admire Shakespeare more than the Greeks as I see through his plays that people and families still get caught up in similar conflicts and delusions that they did so way back then, over 500 years ago.
  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    edited 2015-09-18 16:35
    Loopy,

    Sophocles lived a long and happy life. I guess you meant Socrates. Yep, read the last days of Socrates back in high school. Basically he pointed out the stupidity in us all, which rather upset the powers that be. He is one of the Greeks we admire.

    What you say of Shakespeare is that he was reiterating Socrates. No Greeks, no Shakespeare, I suspect.

    Otherwise I think you sum thing up correctly enough.

    I wonder if the Greeks were good at soldering....
  • Is this actually new? Fume extraction has been around for a long time.
  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    Not sure. I don't think I have ever seem fume extraction built into an iron before.

    They seem to be using that coaxial ventilation system to also protect young fingers from burning themselves and it looks like it's battery powered because...electricity.

    They spent a good chunk of their 10000 dollar prize on getting a patent for the whole package.
  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    I love history. Seems humans started soldering 7000 years ago! http://infohouse.p2ric.org/ref/28/27602.pdf

    The first electric soldering irons showed up in 1890 something. Including the "American Beauty". Still available today: https://www.americanbeautytools.com/ I might have to get one of these: https://www.americanbeautytools.com/Stations-And-Controllers/96/features just for the historical creds.

    Anyone know if American Beauty are actually any good?


  • LoopyBytelooseLoopyByteloose Posts: 12,537
    edited 2015-09-18 18:41
    Actually, soldering is indeed more ancient than Socrates. We seem to have gotten by without the fancy 'high-tech' fume extraction for quite a long time. I wonder more about how Guttenberg managed to not get lead poisoning from making all that lead type.

    Socrates was put on trial for being a bad influence to young men. Considering all that was going on way back then, it is hard to sort out what that actually means. But it is supposed that the other teachers were jealous that he was actually teaching the youth that the other teacher's were phonies.. maybe they just liked the whole setup of being able to party and to drift from town to town without having to do actual labor for a living.

    Plato taught Aristotle who taught Alexander who founded seven cities called Alexandria - including the one in Egypt that had the greatest library in the ancient world. But Aristotle's father was a Macedonian, and he grew up in the Macedonian royal court.

    "In 338 B.C. Aristotle began tutoring the son of King Phillip II of Macedonia, thirteen-year-old Alexander the Great. Aristotle was appointed head of the royal academy of Macedon. He felt so strongly about the value of education that he once wrote, "The educated differ from the uneducated as much as the living from the dead." Aristotle also taught two other future kings - Ptolemy and Cassander. The impact of his philosophies on these future rulers surely changed history." Read more at http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/biography/aristotle_biography#g2WrdhIuURu7Vy5G.99

    From what I can tell, the Greeks just loaded up boats with olive oil, sheep, and wine and went cruising the Mediterranean for adventure, wealth, and slaves. These days, the same ritual is for a bunch of college boys to toss a keg of beer in a car and take a road trip.

    If alcohol really made everyone more creative, the whole world would be geniuses. It just doesn't work that way.
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