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Intel and Micron Produce Breakthrough Memory Technology

or so the banner headlines claim.... They claim this

Now in production

but then say this

3D XPoint technology will sample later this year with select customers,
and Intel and Micron are developing individual products based on the
technology.

Hmm. maybe they really mean
"Production Qualified", which is still significant, and real commercial
products later this year, is some great stealth work.
    Intel and Micron begin production on new class of non-volatile memory, creating the first new memory category in more than 25 years. New 3D XPoint™ technology brings non-volatile memory speeds up to 1,000 times faster1 than NAND, the most popular non-volatile memory in the marketplace today. The companies invented unique material compounds and a cross point architecture for a memory technology that is 10 times denser than conventional memory
The innovative, transistor-less cross point architecture creates a
three-dimensional checkerboard where memory cells sit at the
intersection of word lines and bit lines, allowing the cells to be
addressed individually. As a result, data can be written and read in
small sizes, leading to faster and more efficient read/write processes.



More details about 3D XPoint technology include:

    Cross Point Array Structure – Perpendicular conductors connect 128 billion densely packed memory cells. Each memory cell stores a single bit of data. This compact structure results in high performance and high-density bits. Stackable – In addition to the tight cross point array structure, memory cells are stacked in multiple layers. The initial technology stores 128Gb per die across two memory layers. Future generations of this technology can increase the number of memory layers, in addition to traditional lithographic pitch scaling, further improving system capacities. Selector – Memory cells are accessed and written or read by varying the amount of voltage sent to each selector. This eliminates the need for transistors, increasing capacity while reducing cost. Fast Switching Cell – With a small cell size, fast switching selector, low-latency cross point array and fast write algorithm, the cell is able to switch states faster than any existing non-volatile memory technology today.
This sounds almost April Fools day stuff ...
["Memory cells are accessed and written or read by
varying the amount of voltage sent to each selector."]

So they can Read, WriteZero and WriteOne, just with varying voltage ? Impressive.

Comments

  • evanhevanh Posts: 15,918
    Thing is, all those bullet points are vague both in terms of comparison and time-line. The tech is not named nor described at all.

    10 times denser than conventional memory ... what is conventional here? Nand Flash or maybe they mean DRAM?

    1,000 times faster than NAND ... doesn't say if they mean read or write speed. Seems to imply no erase cycle.

    128Gb per die across two memory layers ... that's a lot, roughly comparable to nand, certainly not 10x as much. They do state single bit per cell, whereas Nand is two or three bits per cell. That's still not 10x. Maybe they are comparing to Nor Flash on this one.

    All forms of RAM are a grid of perpendicular conductors that have various junction types. A transistor doesn't make it any bigger necessarily.

    Then the write speed claim may or may not include comparison with say MRAM. Since MRAM can be considered as nominally not in use yet. MRAM certainly hasn't reached it's claimed abilities nor any significant production.
  • evanhevanh Posts: 15,918
    Still, the ramp up to production is pretty astonishing.
  • TorTor Posts: 2,010
    edited 2015-07-29 13:25
    Wafers are apparently being produced already. We'll see. We desperately need something better than current flash though.

    -Tor
  • Beau SchwabeBeau Schwabe Posts: 6,566
    edited 2015-07-29 13:33
    This memory design sounds a lot like a derivative of Memristors ... "Electric Current through the memristors shifts the oxygen vacancies, causing a gradual and persistent change in electrical resistance"

    Intel is big on FinFETs lately, however they call it "tri-gate".  I wonder how this "stack-able" memory will integrate or merge into current transistor design.

    Currently the commercial CMOS technology is at 22nm, released in 2012,  that's almost 67 times more dense than the 180nm technology being used for the Propeller II.

    By the end of 2015 they are expecting to have 10nm commercial processes available, that's 324 times more dense than 180nm technology ... So if memory follows a similar path and is stack-able I would expect to see about a 10x increase simply going from 22nm to 10nm .... 484 /100 = 4.8x then if you stack it at least once ... that's about 9.7X ... so 10X does not seem out of the question.

    And while I might point out, YES, these new processes are more expensive, but for instance going from 180nm to 22nm with a density gain of 67X ...  22nm vs 180nm is NOT going to be 67 times the cost if you are just jumping process and not adding any features to grow a current design.  Also true that some components do not scale well such as capacitors, and they must remain the same size.  However, in many cases the design can be changed, and would most likely need to anyway to meet certain timing requirements, so that smaller capacitors can be utilized.

    This is all a moot point since Intel is already into the single digit nm technology where the common units now are in Angstroms .... not a huge jump though....  10 Angstroms = 1 nm   .... At that level though things are very different and Moore's law shall be interesting to see. i.e. The width of a stable covalent bond of 2 Aluminum atoms is about 3 Angstroms.


    Memristor reference:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memristor

    FinFET reference:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multigate_device


  • Sounds suspiciously like core on a nano scale........
  • Most recent I saw (Ars maybe) was that this relates to some Phase-Change patents Intel filed last year.

    Here's an interesting read: http://www.dailytech.com/Exclusive+If+Intel+and+Microns+Xpoint+is+3D+Phase+Change+Memory+Boy+Did+They+Patent+It/article37451.htm

  • jmgjmg Posts: 15,173
    Interesting, - one telling number in all that, is the still-finite endurance of 10M
    Yes, better than the worst-case FLASH they chose to compare with, but a long way short of unified memory spin.
    It could be usefully used for write-rarely memory, like code memory, but will never compete with DRAM for Data stacks.
    It may drive a renaissance of separate CODE and DATA.

    I can see a new method of virus attack emerging from this, wayward software that seeks out XPoint memory and writes it to death...
    At their claimed speeds, it could be all over in under 1 second.
  • evanhevanh Posts: 15,918
    edited 2015-07-31 03:07
    The only one that has any chance of superseding DRAM is MRAM. All the others are competing with hard drives for file storage.  So any wayward software would be targeting file writing abuses.
  • It seems good than HDD and SSD.
  • koehlerkoehler Posts: 598
    edited 2015-07-31 07:09
    No one is looking at this as DRAM killer.

    Its going to be a much faster, lower power flash.

    I really wonder if a simple 32GB module could be put on every motherboard, and simply used as the default boot partition to RAM.
    End of the day, shutdown changes only those files which changed.
    Or, hibernation file written to Xpoint

    Not that the same couldn't be done now with Flash.

    On the plus side everyone, watch SSD prices plummet in 5.4.3.2, even with the 300-400% markup Xpoint will initially have.
  • evanhevanh Posts: 15,918
    Well, the recent announcement confirms it was DRAM density that Intel was comparing to. And since Flash is well over 100x DRAM density that means Intel's/Micron's new Xpoint PRAM doesn't have a chance of beating out Flash in the consumer market.

    So, that leaves premium server grade PCIe expansion cards as the target market.
  • evanhevanh Posts: 15,918
    Other less price sensitive lower density demanding areas will also adopt it. I can see aerospace lapping it up where capacity is not a big factor or where radiation hardening is top dog.

    In the longer term, maybe the density will improve, more stacked layers for example, there is a decent chance of wiping Flash from existence. If that happens then it's significantly improved endurance, compared to Flash, will make it very hard to knock from top position.

    On the other hand, I'm not convinced there is a generic solution for extensive layering. All the 3D talk is limited to a few layers at best, as far as I know.
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