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Windows Technical Support Scam - they're still at it.

Hal AlbachHal Albach Posts: 747
edited 2015-05-20 14:45 in General Discussion
This afternoon I had a rather bizarre phone call, Caller ID said it was from New York. Sounded more like New Dehli. A woman with such a heavy Indian accent I had a lot of difficulty understanding her. Claimed she was from Windows Technical Support and was calling me to tell me I have major problems with my computer and that very soon most of my applications would stop working. She wanted me to look up some log files on my PC to illustrate how badly my computer has been infected with virulent malware. Her English was so horrible I could not get the complete name of the file she wanted me to look at. She also tried to talk me into letting her access my computer so that she could "fix" my problems. Red flags have been popping up like crazy throughout the phone call, that last request turned everything red! I simply hung up. She called back and said we had lost the connection. I told her "No, it wasn't lost, I hung up." Then I hung up again.
I then Googled "Windows Scam" and learned that since early 2014 Microsoft has been fighting these clowns in court and has won several large judgements, but it hasn't slowed them down. Also learned the log files they want you to look at are a log of very minor errors that Windows encounters such as an application not responding to a request because it was busy elsewhere. In other words, routine housekeeping stuff. If you let them into your system they usually plant additional malware to steal important files.
My only regret is that I broke the connection with her too early, I could have had some real fun with that one.

Comments

  • mindrobotsmindrobots Posts: 6,506
    edited 2015-05-19 18:36
    ?..and Microsoft has been returning the large settlements from these law suits back to their trusting customers that have been robbed and abused by these scammers??
    No? Hmmmm, I wonder what they are doing with the money??
  • frank freedmanfrank freedman Posts: 1,983
    edited 2015-05-19 18:56
    I actually have fun with these clowns. I had one just swearing me up and down! He would have made a trucker or marine proud! I just keep feeding them more and more BS until they finally figure out I am gaming them. My main reason is to run up their talk time as a high as I possibly can. It is really quite a laugh when you get the right scammer.....
  • lanternfishlanternfish Posts: 366
    edited 2015-05-19 18:57
    They hit here in NZ every now and again after a number of annoying calls I pretend I am going through the process with them and give them false info about what is happening. Often a 'senior consultant' is then put on to try and assist me. When they finally lose the plot I tell them I am on Mac. The resulting abuse from them is hilarious.
  • Dr_AculaDr_Acula Posts: 5,484
    edited 2015-05-19 19:57
    Lots of fun to be had. They usually want you to install LogMeIn or similar so they can control your mouse/keyboard. Set up an old PC with a clean install of windows and one folder entitled "Bank Account Details". Watch them rummage around in the dummy files for a while...
  • ElectrodudeElectrodude Posts: 1,658
    edited 2015-05-19 20:12
    Once when one called my mom, she let the person talk for a while and then said she didn't have a computer. The person on the other end angrily told my mom to stop wasting the person's time and then hung up on my mom.
  • prof_brainoprof_braino Posts: 4,313
    edited 2015-05-19 20:42
    These have been calling me for a couple months now. I can keep them on the line for sometimes half an hour. Tell them I am really interested in the service, and have them take me through all the various steps. Eventually I let it slip that I can't find the error logs, because I have a linux machine. Very fun, and cheaper than cable TV.
  • GadgetmanGadgetman Posts: 2,436
    edited 2015-05-19 23:36
    Had one call...

    He tried to get me to start Teamviewer so that he could take control and 'fix my computer'...
    First he tried to have me press 'Windows + some other key', presumably to open Internet Explorer.
    Which I couldn't because it's an old keyboard without that key. Then he tried to get me to start IE other ways.
    Until I finally told him that 'I don't have IE, can I use Netscape instead?'
    He directed me to teamviewer.com (nifty tool really. We even use it at the office to support users who's trying to use our Remote Office solution), and I dropped the final clue 'I'm getting a not supported message. Do you have another tool that works with OS/2?'...

    Wasted a half hour of his time...

    I actually have an OS/2 machine at home, and it has an old-style keyboard, too.
    But I'm not daft enough to connect it to the internet.

    Remember, the longer you keep the call going, the less time they have to scam innocent people.
  • Buck RogersBuck Rogers Posts: 2,185
    edited 2015-05-20 00:21
    Gadgetman wrote: »
    Had one call...

    He tried to get me to start Teamviewer so that he could take control and 'fix my computer'...
    First he tried to have me press 'Windows + some other key', presumably to open Internet Explorer.
    Which I couldn't because it's an old keyboard without that key. Then he tried to get me to start IE other ways.
    Until I finally told him that 'I don't have IE, can I use Netscape instead?'
    He directed me to teamviewer.com (nifty tool really. We even use it at the office to support users who's trying to use our Remote Office solution), and I dropped the final clue 'I'm getting a not supported message. Do you have another tool that works with OS/2?'...

    Wasted a half hour of his time...

    I actually have an OS/2 machine at home, and it has an old-style keyboard, too.
    But I'm not daft enough to connect it to the internet.

    Remember, the longer you keep the call going, the less time they have to scam innocent people.

    Nice one! I owe you something then, because it beats mine all hollow, I told him I run Linux here exclusively.
  • GadgetmanGadgetman Posts: 2,436
    edited 2015-05-20 01:53
    These people have a 'response sheet' they're using to deide how to best nail a victim.
    If enough people mention Linux, they'll most likely make a new sheet that accounts for that, so don't mention it.

    Therefore, be vague, clumsy and helpless, then throw them a proper surprise at the end.
  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    edited 2015-05-20 03:00
    How are they doing this?

    Do they just call phone number at random on the off chance that the target has a Windows computer, is near by it and preferably is using it on line?

    Have you ever had such a call when offline and away from your machine? When your machines are turned off?

    Because I could speculate that they have somehow found an on line computer and then somehow found the phone number that belongs to it's user.

    All very disturbing.
  • Dr_AculaDr_Acula Posts: 5,484
    edited 2015-05-20 03:26
    Have you ever had such a call when offline and away from your machine? When your machines are turned off?

    Yes. It's pretty unsophisticated. They just ask you to go to your computer and turn it on. Wouldn't fool me. Must dash though, I just got an email telling me I won a lottery I didn't enter...
  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    edited 2015-05-20 03:58
    What about the old Nigerian money transfer scam? Is that still going? I have not seen one for ages.

    The first one I saw came to a friend of mine in England by post, we did not all have internet back then. It was written on, heavy, high quality paper with a very nice official official looking Nigerian government letter heading. Now, this threw my friend for a second because he had been in Nigeria working for an oil company.

    For a while that letter was framed and hanging in his bathroom, next to a letter from Winston Churchill to his father, which was genuine.
  • tomcrawfordtomcrawford Posts: 1,126
    edited 2015-05-20 07:09
    I tell them, "If you are going to have any hope of succeeding with this scam, you need to improve your English skills."
  • PublisonPublison Posts: 12,366
    edited 2015-05-20 07:32
    I always wish I could recall my lessons in Spanish. Using that with TRS-80 might make them go away.
  • 4x5n4x5n Posts: 745
    edited 2015-05-20 07:52
    These have been calling me for a couple months now. I can keep them on the line for sometimes half an hour. Tell them I am really interested in the service, and have them take me through all the various steps. Eventually I let it slip that I can't find the error logs, because I have a linux machine. Very fun, and cheaper than cable TV.

    I didn't mention that I was using linux. The idiot on the phone discovered that on his own when I let him login remotely. Had him going for 20-30 minutes though. :)
  • 4x5n4x5n Posts: 745
    edited 2015-05-20 07:55
    Gadgetman wrote: »
    Had one call...

    <snip>

    Remember, the longer you keep the call going, the less time they have to scam innocent people.

    It can also be a lot of fun. I was watching tv at the time and only half paying attention to what the idiot had to say.
  • BeanBean Posts: 8,129
    edited 2015-05-20 07:55
    I could have some fun with my Timex Sinclair 1000 that I have setup in the basement. (Yes, I actually do...)

    Bean
  • ratronicratronic Posts: 1,451
    edited 2015-05-20 08:10
    I have had at least 3 of those calls from Windows technical support in about the last month.

    I explain to them that Windows technical support is hard to get a hold of and they have

    no time to call me. Before I finish the above sentence they hang up.
  • ercoerco Posts: 20,256
    edited 2015-05-20 09:25
    I have had numerous calls from India claiming to be the IRS, offering to settle any problems at a discount.

    And yes, plenty of other scams are alive and well. http://www.benzinga.com/news/15/05/5483640/report-mattel-cfo-nearly-duped-out-of-3-2-million-in-china
  • PublisonPublison Posts: 12,366
    edited 2015-05-20 09:43
    erco wrote: »
    I have had numerous calls from India claiming to be the IRS, offering to settle any problems at a discount.

    And yes, plenty of other scams are alive and well. http://www.benzinga.com/news/15/05/5483640/report-mattel-cfo-nearly-duped-out-of-3-2-million-in-china
  • Chris SavageChris Savage Parallax Engineering Posts: 14,406
    edited 2015-05-20 10:35
    Between 2 and 10 times a day I get calls from various numbers that my cell phone says are in various states, but which all originate from the same call center spoofing their caller ID. It's always the same male Indian voice saying I was approved for a payday loan and to go to their website and type in some code to claim the money. They always want my bank information. Sometimes it is a recording (american female voice) saying the exact same thing.

    Sometimes when I call back the number it is an invalid number, sometimes I get an instant recording same as the one I get when they call or I get the call-center Indian guy who thinks I am the same person they always ask for (Dawn), although when they speak it it sounds like "Don" to me. The text messages I get always say, "Dawn" though and also want me to click on an obfuscated link to pick up my $1,000.00 payday loan.
  • TorTor Posts: 2,010
    edited 2015-05-20 14:45
    Heater. wrote: »
    What about the old Nigerian money transfer scam? Is that still going? I have not seen one for ages
    It was quiet for a long time, but lately it started up again - I get three or four a week to my gmail account. They all end up in the spam filter of course.I look at them now and then for their entertainment value. Same old absurd content.

    -Tof
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