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US Air Force Moves Forward with High-Power Microwave Weapon

Ron CzapalaRon Czapala Posts: 2,418
edited 2015-05-19 12:08 in General Discussion
http://defense-update.com/20150516_champ.html#.VVdp9PlVhBc
The research laboratory tested the counter-electronics device on the cruise missile at a military test range in Utah, where it successfully shut down a room full of computers.
The effect similar to the electromagnetic pulse from a high-altitude nuclear explosion.

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  • LoopyBytelooseLoopyByteloose Posts: 12,537
    edited 2015-05-18 08:14
    I watched the presention and it is all smoke and mirrors. They essentially say "We are making great progress, but we can't tell you anything about how -- it is all secret."

    To support their claims, they use testimonials by Boeing people I don't recognize, animations, and some video clips of a room full of old CRT monitor computers with failed screens. If anything has really been achieved, Boeing certainly doesn't want to let us in on any real details.

    Seems like a WWII propaganda film for the troops that would be inserted as an intro or trailer to an entertaining film.

    For the actual test, we get shots of grassy desert, radio towers, and an old unclassifed clip of CRT computers. Listen to what each person actually says... not much content.
  • mindrobotsmindrobots Posts: 6,506
    edited 2015-05-18 09:14
    Loopy,

    I guess you need to updated who you know at Boeing! :D

    Jimmy Dodd was VP of Weapon and Missile Systems at the time of this video according to his LinkedIn page.

    (unless that's more smoke and mirrors and misdirection by someone who created a fake LinkedIn page......hmmm, the conspiracy deepens!!!)

    Yes, I was expecting a corporate video from Boeing on YouTube demonstrating the full capabilities of the weapon and also maybe even providing some possible countermeasures.

    I did like the one PC Tower in the back row that popped out its CD in response to the attack. The only other thing I've seen have that effect on a CD drive was a Justin Bieber CD!! :)
  • LoopyBytelooseLoopyByteloose Posts: 12,537
    edited 2015-05-18 10:25
    I am not a big fan of touting successes of leading edge weapons systems and the implications of such. But even if the Boeing brass is well known, they don't really say much.

    The principle behind this has been around for many decades. Putting on a cruise missle would be mostly a minaturization enhancement. But, my neighbors over here do listen and might get annoyed by the implication and I might go up in smoke never to be heard from again.

    Any military likes to put out this stuff. I am not so comfortable with it. It is purely polictical posturing. The link to the website offers more tangible clues, but the video is really a silly production... perhaps the Air Force hopes to use it in recruitment offices to impress.
  • mindrobotsmindrobots Posts: 6,506
    edited 2015-05-18 11:32
    ... perhaps the Air Force hopes to use it in recruitment offices to impress.

    Yes, I can see it now in recruiting offices around the country,

    Potential Recruit: "I want to join up and work with the engineer with the ugly shirt who needs a shave!"
    Recruiting Officer: "Hold on there, I think you'll need to be a little more specific than that."

    :D
  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    edited 2015-05-18 11:47
    Wait a minute...quote from the video:

    "When the that computer went out...when we fired...it actually took out the cameras as well, we took out everything on that."

    No it did not, that is not how it plays out in the video. Which clearly shows the old CRT monitors going down and the camera still running.

    This does not add up.

    Not saying they don't have some power there but this demo is not convincing.

    Anyway, my old tube gear does not care about your silly microwaves...
  • JonnyMacJonnyMac Posts: 9,105
    edited 2015-05-18 12:15
    Let's field test in Iran.
  • Ron CzapalaRon Czapala Posts: 2,418
    edited 2015-05-18 12:15
    Listen carefully -
    In the video (showing the CRTs) at 00:43 the narrative states that was from an EARLIER test - apparently not the most recent test.
  • rod1963rod1963 Posts: 752
    edited 2015-05-18 12:31
    The video almost said nothing - it was all quite sanitized, but that was to be expected since it is aimed at the public. The fact it was made at all does indicate that it is operational and has been been for a while, though not considered a high value weapon, if it was, it would have never been made public.

    Directionalized variant of a EMP bomb. The interesting thing about it is that it's small enough to be put inside a cruise missile, which also means it could be put in a suitcase as well. It's only real application is against fixed civilian targets, bring down a control station for a dam, power plant, stock exchange, etc. Since conflicts today have taken a localized and mobile approach they would be almost useless. It would be cheaper to fly over a area with a EW bird and just jam the OP FOR into silence.

    In regards to the camera that still runs, it's simply shielded.
  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    edited 2015-05-18 12:34
    Ron,

    Yes, an "earlier" test. Presumably ten or twenty years ago judging by the video screens shown!

    BUT that does not change anything, the computers went out, the camera did not, the guy was speaking bull ****.

    I think I'm going to have to fix up a microwave oven to blast a mobile phone or tablet from a few meters and see what happens.

    Anyway, stop frikken drone striking everybody.
  • Ron CzapalaRon Czapala Posts: 2,418
    edited 2015-05-18 12:40
    Heater. wrote: »
    Ron,

    Yes, an "earlier" test. Presumably ten or twenty years ago judging by the video screens shown!

    BUT that does not change anything, the computers went out, the camera did not, the guy was speaking bull ****.

    I think I'm going to have to fix up a microwave oven to blast a mobile phone or tablet from a few meters and see what happens.

    Anyway, stop frikken drone striking everybody.

    You are incorrect - the statement about the cameras going out refers to the latest test not the video segment (from an earlier test) following his statement. The video and story line were not presented very well but you can NOT disprove his claim that the cameras went out on the LATEST test.
  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    edited 2015-05-18 12:41
    rod1963,
    In regards to the camera that still runs, it's simply shielded.
    No doubt that is true. But then why is the bull shitter guy claiming his weapon also took out the camera?

    Does not add up.

    Given the advancement in EMI regulations in modern times perhaps none of this works so well any more.

    As I say, this calls for an experiment...
  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    edited 2015-05-18 12:45
    Ron Czapala,
    ...can disprove his claim that the cameras went out on the LATEST test.
    Of course not. We have not seen the latest test.
  • Ron CzapalaRon Czapala Posts: 2,418
    edited 2015-05-18 12:50
    More info:

    http://www.popsci.com/congress-wants-air-force-finish-its-cyber-missile

    CONGRESS PRESSURES AIR FORCE TO FINISH ITS CYBER MISSILE

    CHAMP is a missile that uses microwaves to knock out electronics near where it hits, completely shutting down the cyber infrastructure of an area while leaving people and buildings unharmed. CHAMP blasts targeted bursts from a microwave emitter, frying local electronics. The effective range is not clear, but CHAMP appears to require some degree of proximity. The project began in 2009, and went as far as being tested in the Utah desert in 2012. But after that successful test, the program stalled.
    Late in 2013, Congress included a deadline for CHAMP in their 2014 defense budget authorization, asking for a deliverable weapon by 2016 and giving it $10 million in additional funding. At a hearing last week, Florida Representative Richard Nugent asked a panel of experts before the House Armed Services Committee about converting surplus cruise missiles to CHAMP-carrying weapons.

    “At this point in time, the Air Force is still looking at the technology and where the right point is to transition it," responded David Walker, the Air Force's deputy assistant secretary of the for science, technology, and engineering.

    It’s unlikely that CHAMP will meet its 2016 deadline, but with increased congressional pressure, the Air Force may get closer to having the anti-computer missile of its dreams.
  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    edited 2015-05-18 13:03
    Or maybe it's a dumb idea that defies physics and will never work in any useful way.

    The history of weapon development is littered with such ideas.

    Still, sounds like they only wasted a few tens of millions on it. A drop in the ocean.
  • LoopyBytelooseLoopyByteloose Posts: 12,537
    edited 2015-05-18 13:31
    rod1963 wrote: »
    In regards to the camera that still runs, it's simply shielded.

    Or maybe the camera actually used Kodak B/W movie film. But that is off into trivia.
    I just get a Dr. Strangelove vibe out of this Department of Defence funded stuff.

    I suppose the next Navy Seals Black Op might find this handy, but war is not Monday night NFL where we cheer the home team with undying loyalty. We seem to be embarking on a less certain period in global politics.

    @Ron Cz
    I am sorry but we are edging toward this being out of forum guidelines when we get off into Federal funding battles and who does and doesn't support a new weapons system. This is adware for funding Boeing's military contracts if nothing else.
  • davejamesdavejames Posts: 4,047
    edited 2015-05-19 12:08
    @00:47 - I like the way the third computer from the left on the back row burps out its CD/DVD!


    ...oops! Rick already noted this.
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