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Create Your Own Drone "No Fly Zone"

ercoerco Posts: 20,256
edited 2015-02-12 11:31 in General Discussion
https://www.yahoo.com/tech/hate-drones-this-new-website-lets-you-create-a-110632205119.html

"When you enter your address, the website creates a geo-fence that No Fly Zone relays to drone software and hardware manufacturers. The hope is that drone makers will write these boundaries into their software, so that drones won’t be able to fly where you don’t want them to."

Probably nearly as effective as the "Do Not Call" list. Seems like a CYA/Due Diligence move for drone makers to have a "get out of jail free card" when something goes wrong. Hackers and bad guys will certainly find a way around GPS virtual boundaries.

But surely there's a market for a safe-ish towline gun for homeowners to shoot drones down. A fun new backyard sport to replace Jarts.

Comments

  • mindrobotsmindrobots Posts: 6,506
    edited 2015-02-10 10:26
    Is there technology to do "directed EMP"? It would be fun to just point your EMP canon at the drone, pull the trigger and watch it drop from the sky as everything electrical on it just goes dead. Then you only need to worry about the old Russian drones that are built with tube technology to resist EMP effects.

    I figure making it a canon provides a safety margin (no need to just send out EMP in all directions) and also makes it a bit more sporting. Plus if the canon had a nice sound when you pulled the trigger, it would provide a satisfying accompaniment to the destruction of the drone.
  • rod1963rod1963 Posts: 752
    edited 2015-02-10 10:52
    I still wish it wouldn't come to this, the old school RC flyers would never be this annoying.They were a much more mature and responsible group than the droners who respect nothing.
  • SRLMSRLM Posts: 5,045
    edited 2015-02-10 10:55
    Why not have a GPS "normalizer" unit that replaces the stock GPS? It intercepts all the NMEA strings and sets them to the middle of the Pacific ocean. It keeps the same deltas so that you can use the features (return to home, hover in spot, follow path, etc.) but it corrects the presets to the normalization location. Then there's nothing that a manufacturer can do, since the GPS is adjusted before input into their system.
  • LoopyBytelooseLoopyByteloose Posts: 12,537
    edited 2015-02-10 11:35
    I just can't quite get my head around the idea that a tiny drone is supposed to maintain a huge database of no fly zones.

    I can understand China willing to create a no fly zone around 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, Washington, D.C.; but that is merely one instance.

    It might be easier to live in a bunker.

    "Directed EMP" would be very handy to hijack delivery drones in transit.
  • Dave HeinDave Hein Posts: 6,347
    edited 2015-02-10 11:45
    Drones have been tested that can knock out electronics on the ground using a microwave beam. It should work the other way around also if the electronics aren't shielded in the drone.
  • W9GFOW9GFO Posts: 4,010
    edited 2015-02-10 12:03
    erco wrote: »
    "When you enter your address, the website creates a geo-fence that No Fly Zone relays to drone software and hardware manufacturers. The hope is that drone makers will write these boundaries into their software, so that drones won’t be able to fly where you don’t want them to."

    I see a couple problems with this. The first is that they are compiling a database of anti-drone people, and their addresses. Surely someone can think of something evil to do with that information. Second is that you have no jurisdiction over the airspace above your property. There is no basis for you creating a "no fly" zone in airspace that you don't have any control over.
  • NWCCTVNWCCTV Posts: 3,629
    edited 2015-02-10 17:05
    I want them to fly over my house. Will give me a chance to try out my shooting net system!!!!!!
  • mindrobotsmindrobots Posts: 6,506
    edited 2015-02-10 17:25
    You could always enter all your neighbors addresses into the sytem and create a drone "flyway" over your house. It could take a while before drone pilots figure out that your house is like the Bermuda Triangle. You'll have lots of spare parts by then!
  • LoopyBytelooseLoopyByteloose Posts: 12,537
    edited 2015-02-10 21:12
    Data IN, Misuse OUT.... the way of the web.
  • msrobotsmsrobots Posts: 3,709
    edited 2015-02-10 23:29
    @mindrobots,

    I like the way you think.

    Peter the Thinker can maybe build some Tesla Coil driven device buzzing them out of the air with EMP.

    But most of the parts would be useless later when you pick them up. Same is for shooting them with a shotgun. Nothing to salvage left.

    So the Bermuda triangle is a very passive way to do that. Waiting for them batteries to go down.

    Enjoy!

    Mike
  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    edited 2015-02-11 05:37
    I'd go for the EMP. At least the motors will be usable assuming they don't get bent up in the crash.

    On the other hand the shotgun thing can be a lot of fun.

    Ultimately we need our own attack drones to take out incomers automatically.
  • mindrobotsmindrobots Posts: 6,506
    edited 2015-02-11 07:15
    msrobots wrote: »
    @mindrobots,

    I like the way you think.

    Thanks! Others on this forum have sought counseling when they've finally come to that conclusion.

    I can refer you to a professional! :o)
  • kwinnkwinn Posts: 8,697
    edited 2015-02-11 10:06
    Heater. wrote: »
    I'd go for the EMP. At least the motors will be usable assuming they don't get bent up in the crash.

    On the other hand the shotgun thing can be a lot of fun.

    Ultimately we need our own attack drones to take out incomers automatically.

    A larger drone with a video camera and arms to fetch the flying part supply.

    Edit: Corrected "lager drone" mistype. Time for a cold one!
  • ercoerco Posts: 20,256
    edited 2015-02-11 10:30
    Only in Amsterdam: https://www.yahoo.com/tech/the-trailer-for-the-worlds-first-drone-show-is-110725165504.html

    First comment on Vimeo: "So let me see if I understand this. You want me to buy a seat at a stadium filled with flying lawnmowers. Awesome! What could possibly go wrong!"

    [video=vimeo;119257479]
  • mindrobotsmindrobots Posts: 6,506
    edited 2015-02-11 10:51
    I'm sure there are safety protocols in place.

    I wonder how you say, "Oh, the humanity!" in Dutch?

    "Oh de Mensheid!!!!"
  • msrobotsmsrobots Posts: 3,709
    edited 2015-02-11 18:40
    @kwinn,

    here you go. I never liked the name 'Drone' for Quad Copters. FPS is way better: 'Flying Parts Supply'. Cool.

    EMP and or Shotguns might be more fun, but reduce the returned value. @mindrobots Bermuda Triangle just works with cooperative Drones. @Heaters idea of having own automated attack drones to fight the incoming seems quit expensive to me.

    In opposite to a short EMP boost via Tesla coil or so, jamming RF frequencies might get you in real trouble. Your sender can get triangulated and you get visitors from some agencies you may not want to have. Same for jamming/faking GPS.

    How about ground to air missiles? You know, them 4th of July kind of rockets, pulling some long fishing line behind them to tangle with the propellers?

    And how to detect them, if automated? Sound sensors for catching the buzzing noise? Nobody wants to shoot a rocket at a buzzard, entangling him in a fisher line. Not fair to the bird. And no really reusable parts on that bird either.

    @W9GFO,

    I am not really sure about your statement that I do not have the right of the airspace above my property. I do own all the ground below. Mineral rights and so. I also own the air above. Say if somebody want to run some high current electricity line above my 14 acre property, he will need my permission to do so. Or - say - building a bridge above it.

    Not sure how far this extends. FDA has something like 500 feet(?) above the ground minimum as rule for airplanes. So I would call the 500 feet below that as my private airspace. Sure I do not own the whole airspace above my property. Air travel would be a nightmare. But I certainly do own the near airspace as a property owner.

    Just imagine somebody buying a 50 by 50 lot and then building some Mushroom looking building overhanging on all sides of the property. Wouldn't work. Owners around him will not allow it. It is above their property, in the air space they own.

    I am not a lawyer in any form or shape, I am just a CodeMonkey. So all of this is just my personal opinion. But I am quite sure that if I shoot your drone hovering over the pool of my house and we both go to the small claims court about me paying your destroyed Quad Copter - hmm - I think I do own the air space above my property.

    I do not want to imply you would do stuff like that or I would shoot any copter over my place. It is just an example.

    Enjoy!

    Mike
  • W9GFOW9GFO Posts: 4,010
    edited 2015-02-11 19:40
    msrobots wrote: »
    I am not really sure about your statement that I do not have the right of the airspace above my property. I do own all the ground below. Mineral rights and so. I also own the air above. Say if somebody want to run some high current electricity line above my 14 acre property, he will need my permission to do so. Or - say - building a bridge above it.

    If you own mineral rights, water rights etc., then you are in the minority. You don't own the airspace. Sure, there are rules and regulations that will prohibit intrusion into the space above your property but that does not give you ownership. You cannot declare the space above your property a no-fly zone. There are already rules in place that govern how close an aircraft can get to your property, drones should follow those rules.

    Personally, I have no problem with people shooting drones out of the sky that are low over private property without permission - as long as doing so does not create a hazard.
  • Ron CzapalaRon Czapala Posts: 2,418
    edited 2015-02-12 07:32
    W9GFO wrote: »
    ...
    Personally, I have no problem with people shooting drones out of the sky that are low over private property without permission - as long as doing so does not create a hazard.

    I thought it would be neat to create a compressed air launcher to hurl a weighted light weight net which would expand and tangle in the props.

    A lot of obstacles in designing such a device but it would be a less dangerous approach than a shotgun...

    Of course, erco is probably working a flame thrower drone...
  • Ron CzapalaRon Czapala Posts: 2,418
    edited 2015-02-12 07:44
    Looks like a net gun is already available - http://www.net-gun.com/ on sale for $795.
  • W9GFOW9GFO Posts: 4,010
    edited 2015-02-12 11:27
    Looks like a net gun is already available - http://www.net-gun.com/ on sale for $795.

    Interesting but no details what-so-ever on how it actually works. No pictures of it in use and no video. What's the range? They don't even show the net!

    I found the range, on the "Order" page. 3 - 20 meters they say.
  • Ron CzapalaRon Czapala Posts: 2,418
    edited 2015-02-12 11:31
    W9GFO wrote: »
    Interesting but no details what-so-ever on how it actually works. No pictures of it in use and no video. What's the range? They don't even show the net!

    Yeah - and it ain't exactly cheap! Neat concept - they need a demo video at least.
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