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I'm strategically timing my bid for maximum psychological devastation. Watch out lookie loos, 'cuz I'm fully prepared to bid it up to $537. Whatever it takes.
Sadly, it adds up just fine..... Read the auction details: "This sale is for the machine without feeders. The feeders in the picture are also available." A 20 year old pick-n-place machine without feeders is always very cheap. The feeders on the other hand will run anywhere from 500-2000 EACH. Considering that you wold need at least 20 feeders to make this machine useful, you are already looking at $15k to have a useful piece of equipment.
Phew! I was wondering exactly when that would happen. Five years ago I could have hacked such a P&P machine into an automatic diapering unit for the twins, but thankfully that need has passed. Or proactively, I could plan ahead and use it on myself in my "golden" years.
Interesting video with Ladyada (Adafruit), and forum member Micah, (scanlime), showing the process of Pick and Place.
I did some searching based on Andrew's statement that the loaders were not included and would cost a lot to get them. Based on this video I see how complicated they are!
Reminds me of old Reel-to-Reel tape recorders, or 16 mm film projectors.
Publison, yes the feeders are a bit of genius from a mechanical engineering perspective. Back in the early 1990's at HP, part of my job was to refurb our feeders whenever we didn't have boards to run. It took 2 hours to completely dismantle, clean, lube, and reassemble a feeder.
Also, I struggled watching them load that feeder. When done correctly, it is much easier. They should be using a feeder dock station which would put the feeder in a more user friendly position. Plus, feeding the carrier tape through the latch first, then splitting the coverlay tape from the carrier saves routing time.
I'm seriously considering buying this one, but in the video the gantry sounds like its using rock salt for bearings. Could someone who's worked with similar machines take a listen to the video and tell if it's within reason to sound that "grindy"?
I'm seriously considering buying this one, but in the video the gantry sounds like its using rock salt for bearings. Could someone who's worked with similar machines take a listen to the video and tell if it's within reason to sound that "grindy"?
I have never worked with PNP machines, but it sounds light the Photoplotters that I worked on in the 80's using stepper motors. I believe you are hearing the motor noise and not bearings.
BTW, it's a great price if you can get it considering all the feeders included and the vibratory feeder.
EDIT: Now that I think about it, that is the noise our servos made, not steppers. That's way too fast for normal steppers.
Martin, not really sure what that sound is but it is not typical. It could be from a few things though. One is that the machine may not be leveled onto its feet so it is operating on wheels if it has them. If so, that would create extra vibration sources. It could also be coming from a loose panel near one of the motors. If there is a feeder not mounting properly, it could cause a similar sound but not that loud. When I get home later I will listen again with better speakers.
The Suzuki 2300 is a decent machine and with a good set of feeders should enable a decent production size.
If you would like, I have a good contact for used equipment and can ask for his two cents on this machine.
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Of course that $500 E-bike was a scam too.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Quad-14-Zone-SMT-Reflow-Oven-Excellent-Condition/251825768251?_trksid=p2047675.c100009.m1982&_trkparms=aid%3D777000%26algo%3DABA.MBE%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D29171%26meid%3D896996f2b12e4feebdc925d01e1ecce3%26pid%3D100009%26rk%3D1%26rkt%3D1%26sd%3D251825765917
quite a deal
Mike
-Phil
I don't see a reserve on these two auctions.
I'm looking for the fine print.
-Phil
OK, and I'm winning! No reserve. A confident seller.
Uh oh. This nonsense is how I won Matt's IFM auction last year...
That P&P machine will look good next to the Corvair.
You cheated, must be $10 bid or more.
I would bid, but I can not do another 10 day round trip to Cali with my trailer with my 300,000 mile truck.
Q: Do old guys wear boxers or briefs?
A: Depends!
You got it all wrong. It would be "pick and place as you leave bits of the motor down the road."
Sadly, I do not have 480 VAC at my house.
I'll find you a 4X AC booster of Ebay China for 99 cents.
Eric, you sound like a handy guy!
P.S. My first reaction to this clip was, "OMG, these guys look so young!" (Memo to self, remove mirrors from house.)
http://www.ebay.com/sch/sn3308/m.html?item=251825768251&hash=item3aa1fc473b&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&rt=nc&_trksid=p2047675.l2562
http://pages.ebay.com/link/?nav=item.view&id=271774997717&alt=web
I did some searching based on Andrew's statement that the loaders were not included and would cost a lot to get them. Based on this video I see how complicated they are!
Reminds me of old Reel-to-Reel tape recorders, or 16 mm film projectors.
http://scanlime.org/2014/02/fadecandy-how-its-made/
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Also, I struggled watching them load that feeder. When done correctly, it is much easier. They should be using a feeder dock station which would put the feeder in a more user friendly position. Plus, feeding the carrier tape through the latch first, then splitting the coverlay tape from the carrier saves routing time.
Phew!
http://youtu.be/X_bStEdyz6A
Martin,
I have never worked with PNP machines, but it sounds light the Photoplotters that I worked on in the 80's using stepper motors. I believe you are hearing the motor noise and not bearings.
BTW, it's a great price if you can get it considering all the feeders included and the vibratory feeder.
EDIT: Now that I think about it, that is the noise our servos made, not steppers. That's way too fast for normal steppers.
Here's a ShapeOko proving that you can move fast using steppers...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80uqW4dgLFA
The Suzuki 2300 is a decent machine and with a good set of feeders should enable a decent production size.
If you would like, I have a good contact for used equipment and can ask for his two cents on this machine.