Oh my God.Horowitz and Hill. This is the must have book for anyone who ever warms up a soldering iron (or spice simulator now a days I guess) Has been so my whole life nearly.
Publison, yep, the slide rule was always plenty accurate enough for any real world calculations I ever had to do. I even had a an old six inch slide rule made of wood with ivory scales. Totally illegal today I guess. I wonder what happened to that.
I should sign up for this.. and the slide rule looks nice too, is it included? I learned to use my father's slide rule when I was a boy, but the first year of my electronics education was the same year that calculators were fully accepted and the same year as they suddenly became cheap. So no slide rule for me at school.
I don't know where that slide rule ended.. I have 3 of them on my Android tablet though, they work pretty well and they look like the real thing. One of them looks like the one in the photo. One nice thing about virtual slide rules is that it's possible to make them infinitely long..
I remember emailing (or might have been speaking at a conference) Horowitz way back in the mid 90's asking him about something and queried when the 3rd edition would be published and his reply saying the draft they had then was over a 1000 pages and their publishers wanted something with a lot less pages. Reading adafruits web page the pagination is 1470-pages so it looks like good things do indeed come to those who wait :-)
I've had the 2nd edition for many years. It'll be interesting to see how they compare.
Adafruit has 53 in stock at $120. That's £77, so it's cheaper over here (and free posting), probably because it's published by the Cambridge University Press:
Too bad they do not sell a PDF or similar version of this book. No NOT kindle. I learned my lesson with tech books and kindle and returned the Bakers Dozen because it was just to d@mn hard to use. Both magging up table and graphs and pages that referred to graphs or things on other pages. that is where paper book with extra finger in pages where graphs and such are called out for........
Too bad they do not sell a PDF or similar version of this book. No NOT kindle. I learned my lesson with tech books and kindle and returned the Bakers Dozen because it was just to d@mn hard to use. Both magging up table and graphs and pages that referred to graphs or things on other pages. that is where paper book with extra finger in pages where graphs and such are called out for........
PDF is not a good format for publishing these types of e-books or e-magazines. When done well HTML is far better for documents with embedded images, references, and definitions. Having links that allow one to move between text, references, images and other items makes using such a document so much better.
I can't imagine getting on with a PDF of a book like this. Possibly I can work on the WEB but sometimes I think I will scream if I can't get away from a screen. It's nice to flop out on the sofa with Horowitz and Hill....err...should I rephrase that.
Overview: This is for EE's and EE wannabe's, not for hobbyists that wanna turn lights on and off. That being said:
PROs: Here is a list of chapters. I will let it speak for itself.
1. Foundations
2. Bipolar Transistors
3. Field-Effect Transistors
4. Operational Amplifiers
5. Precision Circuits
6 Filters
7. Oscillators and Timers
8. Low-Noise Techniques
9. Voltage Regulation and Power Conversion
10. Digital Logic
11. Programmable Logic Devices
12. Logic Interfacing
13. Digital meets Analog
14. Computers, Controllers, and Data Links
15. Microcontrollers
App A. Math Review
App B.How to Draw Schematic Diagrams
App C. Resistor Types
App D. Thevenin's Theorem
App E. LC Butterworth Filters
App F. Load Lines
App G. The Curve Tracer
App H. Transmission Lines and Impedance Matching
App I. Television: A Compact Tutorial
App J. SPICE Primer
App K. Where Do I go to Buy Electronic Goodies?
App L. Workbench Instruments and Tools
App M. Catalogs, Magazines, Databooks
App N. Further Reading and References
App O. The Oscilloscope
App P. Acronyms ans Abbreviations
Cons: It is definitely too big to read in bed. Also, the only mention of anything Parallax that I saw was a reference to Basic Stamp in the discussion of BASIC.
Edit: There is also a brief description of Propellor in "Overview of popular microcontroller families". Oddly enough, nothing about Stamp. EndEdit
That's a bit hard. What about those who start out as hobbyists, flashing LEDs, get curious and what to know more about what is going on? We all have to start somewhere. Even if we have no intention of becoming EEs.
My recollection of H&H is that it is very gentle, non-mathematical, introduction to electronics. Perhaps not for the absolute beginner though.
I always thought they should have skipped the digital stuff. Or perhaps split it out into volume 2.
That's a bit hard. What about those who start out as hobbyists, flashing LEDs, get curious and what to know more about what is going on? We all have to start somewhere. Even if we have no intention of becoming EEs.
My recollection of H&H is that it is very gentle, non-mathematical, introduction to electronics. Perhaps not for the absolute beginner though.
I always thought they should have skipped the digital stuff. Or perhaps split it out into volume 2.
My bad. I did not intend to denigrate hobbyist's (I am one these days). I should have said the book is about electronics rather than microcontroller programming and interfacing.
I always thought of the H&H book as a fine introduction to electronics, once one was familiar with the basics. And in fact a natural progression for those who want to do more than turn on a LED. I just I had it when I was studying for my AS in electronics.
I'm going to restate what I was trying to say about the digital content of H&H.
Things is we have basic electronics stuff which is all about charge, electric and magnetic fields, current, resistance, capacitance, inductance, circuits, active devices like tubes and transistors. All the stuff we call analogue electronics. We can throw in opamps and such as large scale abstractions or even chip implementations. All of this is is kind of fundamental and timeless knowledge.
I'm inclined to thing introducing switching circuits and how to build logic gates etc is quite appropriate. Which of course does require some discussion of logic. Again, timeless information.
Of course digital circuit designers are actually designing analogue circuits, it's just that hey don't know it:) For example a discussion of the transmission line effects of PCB traces carrying digital signals and how to deal with them, would be appropriate.
But then they get into micro-controllers, specific chips, which go obsolete over night and change all the time and just end up wasting space in the book.
It is the usual dilemma, buy it in Taiwan for this price or order it from elsewhere and then pay a huge air frieght bill. Either way, the cost is likely to be the same.
@Heater
I suspect that your bamboo and ivory model was cow horn, not elephant tusk. My last one was all aluminum Picket with log log scales and I used it daily in office work when working cost and scheduling on a nuclear reactor project in 1973-4. It was faster and far quieter than the 10-key caluculator I was given.
I have my doubts that any book should be declared 'holy'. That seems to be a source of vast problems in the world.
Yes, I'd have to say that electronics has changed a great deal since the 2nd edition (which I do have). Mostly, power MOSfet technology has come to the forefront.
And then there is the likelyhood that the 3rd edition may have resolved some rough spots in the continuity of the 2nd edition.
"The Art of Electronics" is a very ambitious tome and I am not sure it will ever get everything covered in a right way. What I nostagically miss, is the presentation of electronics that was provided in the 1960s era ARRL Handbooks. Of course, that was before the existence of the 'great divide' between digital and analog. Back then, everyone -- but a few -- was thinking analog and only analog.
I find the greatest problem in presentation of the whole of electronics today is to adequately present a balanced view of both analog and digital as the principles of utility of the signals are so different.
I won't buy a 3rd edition until I have actually had a chance to glimpse inside a physical copy in hand to determine how useful an upgrade might be.
In general, 2nd editions have a way of usually being the best version of any academic tome. The 1st edition often misses the mark, the 2nd edition takes its lead from readership feedback. 3rd editions and on tend to have the publishers involved in 'shaking the money tree' by trying to obsolete what has gone before.
Ah yes, ARRL Handbooks. Never had one but in school I won a prize for something or other and the prizes were a book of your choice. I wanted the RSGB Handbook. Turns out that exceeded the prize value so my parents put up the difference. It was a huge, wonderful, treasure trove. Mostly still tube circuits in those days. No matter, R's, C' and L's are still the same. Transmission lines and antennas too.
That year I built my digital clock with TTL and Nixies. Ah well.
Of course there is no such thing as a digital circuit. It's just high speed analogue:) See all the debates on here about the problems of decoupling, trace length and routing, transmission line impedance matching issues, pin loading....
In recent years I have heard much about the problems with academic book publishers. How exercises are needlessly changed so students have to buy "this years edition", how chapters and sections are moved around deliberately so as not to match up with any course material references and so on. All in the name of keeping sales of the same thing going year after year.
Given the huge long gestation period of H&H 3rd Edition I'm pretty confident there is no such publisher shenanigans been going on.
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Yes, a must have.
Publison, yep, the slide rule was always plenty accurate enough for any real world calculations I ever had to do. I even had a an old six inch slide rule made of wood with ivory scales. Totally illegal today I guess. I wonder what happened to that.
I don't know where that slide rule ended.. I have 3 of them on my Android tablet though, they work pretty well and they look like the real thing. One of them looks like the one in the photo. One nice thing about virtual slide rules is that it's possible to make them infinitely long..
I remember emailing (or might have been speaking at a conference) Horowitz way back in the mid 90's asking him about something and queried when the 3rd edition would be published and his reply saying the draft they had then was over a 1000 pages and their publishers wanted something with a lot less pages. Reading adafruits web page the pagination is 1470-pages so it looks like good things do indeed come to those who wait :-)
Thanks
Adafruit has 53 in stock at $120. That's £77, so it's cheaper over here (and free posting), probably because it's published by the Cambridge University Press:
http://www.cambridge.org/gb/academic/subjects/physics/electronics-physicists/art-electronics-3rd-edition?format=HB
How did you order it from Foyles and at that price? On their web site I only see the second edition and it's £79.99.
http://artofelectronics.net/
The Foyles link works OK from there.
It looks like prices in the US vary from $80.00-120.00
http://www.barnesandnoble.com/listing/2671763189677?r=1&kpid=2671763189677&cm_mmc=GooglePLA-_-TextBook_NotInStock_75Up-_-Q000000633-_-2671763189677
http://www.amazon.com/The-Art-Electronics-Paul-Horowitz/dp/0521809266
http://www.adafruit.com/artofelectronics
I wouldn't have thought to check Barnes and Noble.
PDF is not a good format for publishing these types of e-books or e-magazines. When done well HTML is far better for documents with embedded images, references, and definitions. Having links that allow one to move between text, references, images and other items makes using such a document so much better.
PROs: Here is a list of chapters. I will let it speak for itself.
1. Foundations
2. Bipolar Transistors
3. Field-Effect Transistors
4. Operational Amplifiers
5. Precision Circuits
6 Filters
7. Oscillators and Timers
8. Low-Noise Techniques
9. Voltage Regulation and Power Conversion
10. Digital Logic
11. Programmable Logic Devices
12. Logic Interfacing
13. Digital meets Analog
14. Computers, Controllers, and Data Links
15. Microcontrollers
App A. Math Review
App B.How to Draw Schematic Diagrams
App C. Resistor Types
App D. Thevenin's Theorem
App E. LC Butterworth Filters
App F. Load Lines
App G. The Curve Tracer
App H. Transmission Lines and Impedance Matching
App I. Television: A Compact Tutorial
App J. SPICE Primer
App K. Where Do I go to Buy Electronic Goodies?
App L. Workbench Instruments and Tools
App M. Catalogs, Magazines, Databooks
App N. Further Reading and References
App O. The Oscilloscope
App P. Acronyms ans Abbreviations
Cons: It is definitely too big to read in bed. Also, the only mention of anything Parallax that I saw was a reference to Basic Stamp in the discussion of BASIC.
Edit: There is also a brief description of Propellor in "Overview of popular microcontroller families". Oddly enough, nothing about Stamp. EndEdit
That's a bit hard. What about those who start out as hobbyists, flashing LEDs, get curious and what to know more about what is going on? We all have to start somewhere. Even if we have no intention of becoming EEs.
My recollection of H&H is that it is very gentle, non-mathematical, introduction to electronics. Perhaps not for the absolute beginner though.
I always thought they should have skipped the digital stuff. Or perhaps split it out into volume 2.
My bad. I did not intend to denigrate hobbyist's (I am one these days). I should have said the book is about electronics rather than microcontroller programming and interfacing.
Things is we have basic electronics stuff which is all about charge, electric and magnetic fields, current, resistance, capacitance, inductance, circuits, active devices like tubes and transistors. All the stuff we call analogue electronics. We can throw in opamps and such as large scale abstractions or even chip implementations. All of this is is kind of fundamental and timeless knowledge.
I'm inclined to thing introducing switching circuits and how to build logic gates etc is quite appropriate. Which of course does require some discussion of logic. Again, timeless information.
Of course digital circuit designers are actually designing analogue circuits, it's just that hey don't know it:) For example a discussion of the transmission line effects of PCB traces carrying digital signals and how to deal with them, would be appropriate.
But then they get into micro-controllers, specific chips, which go obsolete over night and change all the time and just end up wasting space in the book.
not going to buy paperback....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f4-jbobSll4
http://search.books.com.tw/exep/prod_search.php?key=the+art+of+electronics&cat=all
It is the usual dilemma, buy it in Taiwan for this price or order it from elsewhere and then pay a huge air frieght bill. Either way, the cost is likely to be the same.
What about the Transistor Man T-shirt? Or a circular slide rule?
http://www.sphere.bc.ca/test/sliderule.html
@Heater
I suspect that your bamboo and ivory model was cow horn, not elephant tusk. My last one was all aluminum Picket with log log scales and I used it daily in office work when working cost and scheduling on a nuclear reactor project in 1973-4. It was faster and far quieter than the 10-key caluculator I was given.
I have my doubts that any book should be declared 'holy'. That seems to be a source of vast problems in the world.
Anyone need an abacus? No batteries required.
http://www.alibaba.com/showroom/student-abacus-sale.html
Has electronics changed all that much since the 2nd edition was printed?
And then there is the likelyhood that the 3rd edition may have resolved some rough spots in the continuity of the 2nd edition.
"The Art of Electronics" is a very ambitious tome and I am not sure it will ever get everything covered in a right way. What I nostagically miss, is the presentation of electronics that was provided in the 1960s era ARRL Handbooks. Of course, that was before the existence of the 'great divide' between digital and analog. Back then, everyone -- but a few -- was thinking analog and only analog.
I find the greatest problem in presentation of the whole of electronics today is to adequately present a balanced view of both analog and digital as the principles of utility of the signals are so different.
I won't buy a 3rd edition until I have actually had a chance to glimpse inside a physical copy in hand to determine how useful an upgrade might be.
In general, 2nd editions have a way of usually being the best version of any academic tome. The 1st edition often misses the mark, the 2nd edition takes its lead from readership feedback. 3rd editions and on tend to have the publishers involved in 'shaking the money tree' by trying to obsolete what has gone before.
That year I built my digital clock with TTL and Nixies. Ah well.
Of course there is no such thing as a digital circuit. It's just high speed analogue:) See all the debates on here about the problems of decoupling, trace length and routing, transmission line impedance matching issues, pin loading....
In recent years I have heard much about the problems with academic book publishers. How exercises are needlessly changed so students have to buy "this years edition", how chapters and sections are moved around deliberately so as not to match up with any course material references and so on. All in the name of keeping sales of the same thing going year after year.
Given the huge long gestation period of H&H 3rd Edition I'm pretty confident there is no such publisher shenanigans been going on.
Experimental Methods in RF Design by Hayward et al is very good, also.
I just found the Handbook. It's the 2007 one, so I definitely need the latest edition.