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Mach 5 Future Jet Can Fly Anywhere in the World in 4 Hours

Ron CzapalaRon Czapala Posts: 2,418
edited 2014-12-19 02:52 in General Discussion
http://www.popularmechanics.com/how-to/blog/skylon-sabre-mach-5-jet-flies-anywhere-in-four-hours-17540658
British firm Reaction Engines is building a plane that can zip almost anywhere in the world within four hours, cool itself by 1000 degrees Celsius in a fraction of a second, and even go into space. The European Space Agency is interested in the futuristic plane as a way to lower the cost of future launches.

Reaction calls the aircraft the Skylon, and it imagines the plane carrying 300 passengers at mach 5. It's powered by SABRE, which sounds like a villainous spy organization but actually stands for Synergetic Air-Breathing Rocket Engine. Those engines could be cooled to -160 degrees Celsius using compressed helium. The $1.1 billion plane would be 276 feet long—40 feet longer than a Boeing 747.

Armed with liquid oxygen engines, the Skylon could even enter Earth orbit; ceramic composites would prevent damage from re-entry. The plane could be hitting runways in just five years, making for some of the most fascinating passenger voyages possible.
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Comments

  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    edited 2014-12-17 12:07
    Yeah right.

    So much gibberish in those stories I don't know where to start.

    Do they even have a video of any kind of trial run of this thing?
  • mindrobotsmindrobots Posts: 6,506
    edited 2014-12-17 12:19
    'Skylon' is a dumb name.

    Are there any carriers lining up with $1.1 Billion to place some orders?

    Bad wording for an aviation reporter: "The plane could be hitting runways in just five years"
  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    edited 2014-12-17 12:30
    I don't know...
    ...cool itself by 1000 degrees Celsius in a fraction of a second...
    What is that supposed to mean? Give me some context here.
    ...help accelerate existing aircraft up to five times the speed of sound...
    What? Without them disintegrating?

    There might be some useful tech in there but the hype is crazy.
  • Ron CzapalaRon Czapala Posts: 2,418
    edited 2014-12-17 18:16
  • rod1963rod1963 Posts: 752
    edited 2014-12-17 23:19
    It's all theory right and marketing hype now, it will take 5+ years just to develop a prototype engine(provided they have a team that is already experienced designing bleeding edge propulsion systems) and a flight test program that lasts a decade+ if it proves viable. Just designing a reliable airframe that can be used 100's of times to handle those speeds is going to be a bear. The U.S. Air Force has been working for over 20 years on a replacement for the SR-71 which can chug along at mach 3, but from the looks of it they aren't even out of the unmanned test phase and even if they have a classified manned vehicle it's certainly only for 1 or 2 men.

    I also don't think hypersonic speeds and human cattle cars go together after seeing how the SR-71 is put together and what it takes to get it airborne.
  • evanhevanh Posts: 15,921
    edited 2014-12-17 23:59
    Drones are the SR-71's replacement. Do any of them have the performance of the SR-71 though?
  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    edited 2014-12-18 00:56
    Seeing the SABRE motor howling away in the backyard at Cullham makes this all look more promising: http://vimeo.com/45136248

    So the magic is in the heat exchanger. I might worry that it requires helium which seems to be in short supply.
  • Dr_AculaDr_Acula Posts: 5,484
    edited 2014-12-18 01:57
    So the magic is in the heat exchanger. I might worry that it requires helium which seems to be in short supply.

    Erco has the answer - use Hydrogen! http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php/158750-Erco-on-Letterman-circa-1989

    New toys for kids - including controllable dirigibles that use Hydrogen instead of that silly Helium. Burns better when they crash (looks like you were close to setting the stage lighting on fire there, and managed to set someone's hair alight as well).

    But seriously, the precooler is the key. Carnot cycle - isothermal compression, adiabatic compression, isothermal expansion, adiabatic expansion. Air comes in and at those speeds heats up due to pressure, so pre-cooling it makes sense. But how much liquid helium do you need to carry with you?
  • TorTor Posts: 2,010
    edited 2014-12-18 03:31
    Going to Japan in 4 hours suits me fine.. would love that. But I wonder if I can do that for just a few hundred dollars, as I can now, with the additional hours..
  • jmgjmg Posts: 15,173
    edited 2014-12-18 06:03
    evanh wrote: »
    Drones are the SR-71's replacement. Do any of them have the performance of the SR-71 though?

    Tech wise, no, but the great thing about drones, is they do not need to.
    You can put up dozens, even hundreds of drones, and get better long term coverage then a SR-71 ever could.
  • John AbshierJohn Abshier Posts: 1,116
    edited 2014-12-18 06:55
    I will go to the airport in my Moller Skycar. They should both be available at the same time.

    John Abshier
  • mklrobomklrobo Posts: 420
    edited 2014-12-18 07:28
    Alot of incredible things happening in teh near future.
    Mars Rover found water, and organic molecules, Methane.
    The Air Force did a commercial that indicated that the sum of
    human knowledge would double in the next century.
    It will be a job just to keep up with information about the changes! :)
  • User NameUser Name Posts: 1,451
    edited 2014-12-18 12:33
    Heater. wrote: »
    I might worry that it requires helium which seems to be in short supply.

    Absolutely. If this design has any hope of commercialization it will have to use something else for cooling.
  • evanhevanh Posts: 15,921
    edited 2014-12-18 12:43
    Heater. wrote: »
    Seeing the SABRE motor howling away in the backyard at Cullham makes this all look more promising: http://vimeo.com/45136248

    So the magic is in the heat exchanger. I might worry that it requires helium which seems to be in short supply.

    Thanks for that, Heater. I hadn't tried looking before. The potential for efficient space entry is where it's really at, imho. Rockets for Earth lift-off are insanely wasteful.
  • lardomlardom Posts: 1,659
    edited 2014-12-18 16:01
    I can guarantee Richard Branson and Elon Musk are paying attention. Both have had setbacks. If there's anything to it we will hear more about it.
  • ElectrodudeElectrodude Posts: 1,658
    edited 2014-12-18 16:19
    Heater. wrote: »
    I might worry that it requires helium which seems to be in short supply.

    Fusion reactors, which will produce plenty of helium, should be in widespread use by the time this is practical.
  • rod1963rod1963 Posts: 752
    edited 2014-12-18 22:39
    Setbacks are common on the bleeding edge of aerospace, expect more of them and more deaths. There was a reason that governments used to bankroll these programs.

    However Sabre engine(if it ever makes through flight test) is not a solution to either company and at best is 5+ years away from use. That assumes you have a airframe that can handle it.

    Google what happened to the Air Forces WaveRider scramjet when it hits those speeds - it tends to break up.

    In short we are very long ways away from seeing a commercial use for this sort of speed, if ever.
  • evanhevanh Posts: 15,921
    edited 2014-12-19 02:52
    Top speed is for very high altitude, ie: reaching for orbit. Re-entry might be more of a problem though.
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