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Oh nos! Not Another Radio Shack Thread!! (good news this time)

GordonMcCombGordonMcComb Posts: 3,366
edited 2015-01-28 09:37 in General Discussion
Didn't see the news about Radio Shack's "credit lifeline" posted here previously, so I thought I'd mention it, as it's good(er) news this time around.

In a nutshell, Radio Shack was able to secure about a half-billion dollars in replacement credit, which extends out its ability to continue business. The former credit terms with GE Capital were apparently onerous and quite limited, and news on the street was that terms of this credit prevented RS from closing the number of stores it felt was necessary to mount a come-back.

Here's a story related to Fitch's rating of RS stock, which describes (somewhat negatively, because there's still a lot of risk) some of the technical underpinnings:

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/10/06/fitch-radioshacks-new-financing-plan-a-s-idUSFit78192020141006

Now, I'm not sure if all this dough will end up making a whit of difference (sorry, Whit, didn't mean to drag you into this!). But the main thing is that RS may be able to start closing the stores it needs to. If it can't do that, there is no possible way it can survive. Personally, I think they need to close all but 1200-1500 stores (roughly 2/3), but we'll see. Fitch seems to think it's only a temporary reprieve, but RS could pull a surprise this coming holiday season.

If so, we may have to drive a little farther to buy some resistors, but at least they still will be available.
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  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    edited 2014-10-06 17:33
    Over here we have some stores providing what every RS geek desires. Electronic components from resistors upward. They do good business.

    With a population of 5 million and say 10 such stores (Which might be a stretch) I might extrapolate that to the USA.

    There you have 300 million population so 600 Radio Shack stores would be about right.

    Now, how many does RS currently have?
  • ercoerco Posts: 20,256
    edited 2014-10-06 17:41
    If so, we may have to drive a little farther to buy some resistors, but at least they still will be available.

    Resistors I can wait for: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Each-Value-Metal-Film-400-Pcs-1-4W-1-20-Kinds-Resistor-Assortment-Kit-Set-JM-/351001342280?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_2&hash=item51b94f7148

    It's those overpriced, long-contract cell phones I can't live without! :)

    That's an interesting turn of events for the Shack. They haven't found the right formula yet, but I'm pulling for them. I love the smoking clearance deals as much as the next guy, but they are just bleeding the stores of money. I'd be surprised if their success was a simple matter of closing stores. Retail stores need to become more relevant as the world (mea culpa) has gone mad for click & order. Maybe offer workshops, classes, birthday parties, contests, services, repairs who knows? All that is very difficult to coordinate. No easy solution.
  • 4x5n4x5n Posts: 745
    edited 2014-10-06 17:46
    This came up in the last few days on a mailing list I follow for the RS Color Computer (coco).

    I personally think that RS jumped the shark during the mid-80s when it abandoned the hobbiest / DIY market and shifted it's priority to electronicee (word?) toys like cheap RC cars and other junk. From their they ended up selling a bunch of other consumer electronic junk and moved further and further away from the hobbiest / DIY market. These days I don't really even know what they sell besides cell phones and way overpriced cell phone accessories.

    I'm lucky that I live near both a Frys and a MicroCenter and can say that each of them sell more things of interest to the electronic / maker (whatever that is) hobbiest / DIY market then the Radio Shacks in the area.
  • RDL2004RDL2004 Posts: 2,554
    edited 2014-10-06 17:46
    They have thousands of company owned stores. A big problem is that many of them are in high rent shopping malls and they try to get by selling cell phone plans, which is one of the most cut throat markets out there. There's no way they can survive selling phones and competing against Wal-mart. I still don't see much hope unless there are drastic changes made. Staying in the malls and trying to become a high end retailer will never work for them.
  • Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi)Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi) Posts: 23,514
    edited 2014-10-06 17:53
    I love my local RS Associate store. It's within easy walking distance, and they do carry a surprising number of basic components. They've saved my butt more than once when I couldn't wait for a delivery from DigiKey. Moreover, with the latest remodel, the inside really looks spiffy. But, more often than not, when I walk in there, the store is empty of customers, and the employees are just looking for something to occupy their time. If even a tenth of the local population was like me, they'd be busy all the time. But I worry that the sand may soon be running out of their hourglass.

    -Phil
  • 4x5n4x5n Posts: 745
    edited 2014-10-06 18:02
    I love my local RS Associate store. It's within easy walking distance, and they do carry a surprising number of basic components. They've saved my butt more than once when I couldn't wait for a delivery from DigiKey. Moreover, with the latest remodel, the inside really looks spiffy. But, more often than not, when I walk in there, the store is empty of customers, and the employees are just looking for something to occupy their time. If even a tenth of the local population was like me, they'd be busy all the time. But I worry that the sand may soon be running out of their hourglass.

    -Phil

    I wish that RS could be relevant to me but around here they're worthless. They do have some very overpriced resisters and things but their selection is rather pathetic. If I needed a specific discreet component I would go to Frys and I think I would have a better chance of getting it there! What I have been doing is ordering from Newark/Element14. They sell carbon resisters for a penny each if you order in quantities of 100! That's a dollar for 100 of a given value. For only $20 - $25 you can build a nice collection of resisters that will mean few to no desperation runs to RS for their 5 packs of resisters. You can get very reasonable prices for capacitors and transistors. Stock up over a few months and save a LOT of money in the long (and short) run!!
  • WhitWhit Posts: 4,191
    edited 2014-10-06 18:05
    @Phil - Agreed - It is great to have a local place to pick up some components quickly! I was walking around my local Shack the other day and thinking that there would soon be no place like this soon. Made me sad.
  • RS_JimRS_Jim Posts: 1,765
    edited 2014-10-07 06:24
    Heater. wrote: »

    There you have 300 million population so 600 Radio Shack stores would be about right.

    Now, how many does RS currently have?
    Radio shack currently has over 4000 stores. Yes a reduction in the number of stores is necessary, however down to 600 is a bit drastic.
    Jim
  • doggiedocdoggiedoc Posts: 2,241
    edited 2014-10-07 06:50
    Whit wrote: »
    @Phil - Agreed - It is great to have a local place to pick up some components quickly! I was walking around my local Shack the other day and thinking that there would soon be no place like this soon. Made me sad.
    My thoughts exactly.
  • GordonMcCombGordonMcComb Posts: 3,366
    edited 2014-10-07 09:37
    The number of stores directly affects RS's ability to pull out of the mess, and without the closures, there's no chance of survival. I read this morning that another of RS's creditors continues to balk at closing any more than 200 stores, leading me to believe that their real intention is to allow the store's failure, and then liquidate the company. Closing stores means breaking leases, paying severance, etc., and outside of bankruptcy these charges just reduce what money is left over from the sold assets.

    Michael's gets by quite well with a little over 1,000 stores. While they don't have quite the geographical coverage of Radio Shack, the fewer stores allows each one to have deeper inventory. I live near no fewer than three RS stores within a 15 minute drive, but it's a crapshoot that any single store will have everything I need for a project. It's far better to consolidate retail fronts and inventory, so stores gotta go. What level that is remains to be seen. Their initial 1,200 store plan is, IMO, a good start, but it shouldn't end there.

    I am hopeful in their attempted turnaround they move away from their harmful pricing structures. Charging 300-800+ percent for commodities like special batteries and cables isn't winning them any loyal customers. They may make the occasional $20 sale for a battery that costs them $2, but that customer will not come back. That's not the path to successful retailing. My hope was that because Magnacca came from a drugstore discounting chain, he'd instill some of the logic behind low-price leadership to bring in the customers and renew the base, but except for very narrow niches that doesn't seem to be the case.
  • NWCCTVNWCCTV Posts: 3,629
    edited 2014-10-07 18:05
    Another problem is store over kill. Here in Federal Way, WA we have one in the mall (those should be the first to close, rent is too high) and right across the street next to a Michael's is another one. Anyone else notice things like this where you live?
  • GordonMcCombGordonMcComb Posts: 3,366
    edited 2014-10-07 18:34
    Yeah, there are far too many stores close together. Not sure if this is a franchise thing, or RS doesn't want to close any stores that are making money.

    I lived (briefly) in the Seattle area in the late 70s, and worked for Radio Shack. I recall the store in Burien had the best sales of the whole district, not just because of the location serving the Yuppies, but also the store enjoyed a killer salesman. He later moved to my store and was the manager there for the remainder of my time in the area. He taught me a ton about selling. (The guy was a hoot, too. He smoked a pipe, wore old sweaters, and loved to talk about CBs to anyone who would listen.)

    I don't recall if there was yet a store in Federal Way. My store in West Seattle was tiny, and got a trickle of business. I don't know how a store like this will fare if they start closing. On one hand, it served all the ferries that came into West Seattle, so where are those customers going to go? On the other hand ... well, maybe there is no other hand.
  • Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi)Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi) Posts: 23,514
    edited 2014-10-07 18:56
    What ever happened to the Battery Club? Radio Shack was a pioneer in the coming fad of loyalty cards. Granted, the RS-branded batteries weren't the greatest, but the "club" got people into the store, and that's half the battle.

    -Phil
  • GordonMcCombGordonMcComb Posts: 3,366
    edited 2014-10-07 20:58
    One guess is that the buyer at Radio Shack who handled batteries (and books and some other things) retired. He might have spearheaded the battery club concept, and with his leaving, there went the program. I know that was certainly the case with the books. Leon (the buyer) understood the benefit of books that helped to sell product. I think the idea was a mystery to just about anyone else that came after, and what people don't understand, they try to kill.

    It could have also been that the Battery Club was replaced by the realities of Costco and similar heavy discounters. A package of AA, alkaline no less, is not all that expensive. Eventually, a free cheapo flashlight battery is just a free cheapo flashlight battery.
  • Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi)Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi) Posts: 23,514
    edited 2014-10-07 21:24
    I'll probably get in trouble for saying this, but Texans often seem to have a rather insular view of the national gestalt. In the case of RS (a Texas corporation), that narrowness sometimes translates into decisions that might work in Texas but not elsewhere. I won't say any more, since it's borderline political, and I don''t want to offend my fellow Lone Star foumistas. But there is definitely a cultural divide between Texas and the rest of the nation; and RS seems, at times, to be hobbled by that insularity and by lacking a finger on the national pulse.

    -Phil
  • ercoerco Posts: 20,256
    edited 2014-10-07 22:12
    What ever happened to the Battery Club? Radio Shack was a pioneer in the coming fad of loyalty cards. Granted, the RS-branded batteries weren't the greatest, but the "club" got people into the store, and that's half the battle.

    -Phil

    Besides the free batteries, anyone remember the free gray & red flashlights that took FIVE D cells? Those heavy things could double as a police baton.

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-RADIO-SHACK-5-D-Cell-Flashlight-Cat-No-68-1022-/390927709147
  • Dave HeinDave Hein Posts: 6,347
    edited 2014-10-08 06:53
    I'll probably get in trouble for saying this, but Texans often seem to have a rather insular view of the national gestalt. In the case of RS (a Texas corporation), that narrowness sometimes translates into decisions that might work in Texas but not elsewhere. I won't say any more, since it's borderline political, and I don''t want to offend my fellow Lone Star foumistas. But there is definitely a cultural divide between Texas and the rest of the nation; and RS seems, at times, to be hobbled by that insularity and by lacking a finger on the national pulse.
    Phil, don't worry about offending those of us in the Republic of Texas. We can't help it if the rest of the country can't keep up with our economic success. As far as RadioShack is concerned, it's time to take that sick doggie behind the barn and cull the herd a bit.

    Oh, and what's this about the Seattle city council fining people with more than 10% food waste in their garbage? And I just heard yesterday the same city council voted unanimously to ban Columbus Day. Instead they will celebrate indigenous people day. I don't think that mentality is inline with the national gestalt. :)
  • PublisonPublison Posts: 12,366
    edited 2014-10-08 07:12
    erco wrote: »
    Besides the free batteries, anyone remember the free gray & red flashlights that took FIVE D cells? Those heavy things could double as a police baton.

    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-RADIO-SHACK-5-D-Cell-Flashlight-Cat-No-68-1022-/390927709147

    Oh...THAT'S what that thing is. I thought they were shelf spacers. :

    Flashlight.JPG
    640 x 480 - 113K
  • doggiedocdoggiedoc Posts: 2,241
    edited 2014-10-08 07:59
    Now that's funny!!
    Publison wrote: »
    Oh...THAT'S what that thing is. I though they were shelf spacers. :

    Flashlight.JPG
  • ercoerco Posts: 20,256
    edited 2014-10-08 10:25
    There, I fixed it myself! :)
  • RickBRickB Posts: 395
    edited 2014-10-08 13:03
    And I just heard yesterday the same city council voted unanimously to ban Columbus Day. Instead they will celebrate indigenous people day. I don't think that mentality is inline with the national gestalt.

    But it is inline with reality. Columbus did NOT "discover" North America, the Vikings were first. But his "discovery" ultimately lead to the annihilation of most of the indigenous cultures in North America by those that followed.
  • NWCCTVNWCCTV Posts: 3,629
    edited 2014-10-08 15:20
    Yea, And the minimum wage is $15.00 an hour.
  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    edited 2014-10-09 00:15
    RickB,
    Columbus did NOT "discover" North America, the Vikings were first.

    Err, well, presumably those indigenous peoples discovered the place first.
  • GadgetmanGadgetman Posts: 2,436
    edited 2014-10-09 02:45
    It doesn't count unless you write home about it and at the same time speak LOUDLY to the natives...
  • GenetixGenetix Posts: 1,754
    edited 2014-10-09 14:55
    Radio Shack may have ridiculous profit margins on everything but sitting product doesn't generate anything. They have a Cash Flow problem and that product mostly sits there because their prices are too high. Inventory has Carrying Costs so why are they focusing on profit instead of volume. Move product and let Contribution Margin work its magic. Contribution Margin is where all the Variable Costs are covered and what's leftover contributes to the Fixed Costs. All those little Contribution Margins add up especially if there is volume. 4000 stores could move a lot of product.
  • RickInTexasRickInTexas Posts: 124
    edited 2014-10-09 19:25
    Dave Hein wrote: »
    Phil, don't worry about offending those of us in the Republic of Texas. We can't help it if the rest of the country can't keep up with our economic success. As far as RadioShack is concerned, it's time to take that sick doggie behind the barn and cull the herd a bit.

    Oh, and what's this about the Seattle city council fining people with more than 10% food waste in their garbage? And I just heard yesterday the same city council voted unanimously to ban Columbus Day. Instead they will celebrate indigenous people day. I don't think that mentality is inline with the national gestalt. :)

    Wow, where do I start? I'm a proud Texan by choice. Born and raised in
    Wisconsin, worked and met my wife in Kansas. When she wanted to buy a house and start a family; I wanted to establish roots in the sunbelt. It boiled down to AZ and TX; both conservative and sunny.

    No offense taken, I'm well-read on current national and world events. Had I been looking for a left-leaning environment, CA would have been great; especially San Fran. etc. WA state has a lot going for it, I'm into being outdoors and cycling. Great place for that; at least the government support of bike-lanes and such. I knew a few people who left TX for WA state for those things.

    As far as being insular, I don't get it. We do have internet here! FIOS here.

    That's a huge part of what makes the USA great; you can live in a state that aligns with your personal view of how things ought to be.

    Back ON TOPIC: Radio Shack is in a very compromised situation caused by years and years of a meandering business model. I thought that the years of pushing cell-phones in a saturated maked to be, uh, not a great idea. The probel, as I see it is that their traditional market being hobbyists and consumers needing electronic "glue" items like speaker wire, may well not have had the profitability to sustain a reasonable number of stores for the population, much less too many stores for a given area. I have one 1 mile away and another 2 miles away.

    Fry's is about 10, 20 and 40 miles away. I'll drive that to get some components and much more to boot.

    Mod(s): If I was too political, no problem I can edit if you don't beat me to it.

    Rick In Texas (YEAH!)
  • RDL2004RDL2004 Posts: 2,554
    edited 2014-10-10 06:49
    Fry's is about 10, 20 and 40 miles away. I'll drive that to get some components and much more to boot.

    That would be about $3-12 of gas for me. I'm not an oil baron, so I'll pass and just order from Mouser and let the USPS deliver.
  • doggiedocdoggiedoc Posts: 2,241
    edited 2014-10-10 14:49
    But what does shipping cost? And then you miss out on the 'impulse buy' factor. Nothing funner than buy stuff you didn't know you needed!!!

    RDL2004 wrote: »
    That would be about $3-12 of gas for me. I'm not an oil baron, so I'll pass and just order from Mouser and let the USPS deliver.
  • RDL2004RDL2004 Posts: 2,554
    edited 2014-10-10 16:07
    Well, econo shipping is only about $4, but I usually spring for Priority Mail, because it only takes 2 days to get here.

    Plenty of impulse buying happens too. When you're paying $6.95 to ship 10 items, it's hard not to add a bunch more stuff just to make it worthwhile. I almost always pad the order up to where the shipping is only about 10% of the total. I never have trouble finding more to buy :) They carry Parallax stuff too. And just think of all the sales tax I'm not paying.
  • McGyverMcGyver Posts: 29
    edited 2014-10-10 22:19
    Interesting discussion , I too used to be a regular contributor to RS coffers, getting mostly parts and a couple computers waaaay back. My last purchases were Parallax HWB/BOE packs and VEX clearence stuff. Before RS, Tandy was my leather craft supplier. I personally won't miss them as I live in the boonies now.
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