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Triac stopped Internet

LA6WNALA6WNA Posts: 138
edited 2014-09-15 14:03 in General Discussion
Hi. Last week I discovered a for me new experience. RF noise from a 230v AC triac regulator caused my ADSL line to slow down, and at last compleetly stop.
Earlier I`ve called the Internet prowider because of slow connection, and they measured the line and told me that there was some kind of noise at the line. They could not tell me what kind of noise, or where it came from. Only that this could cause slow connection. Last week the router stopped compleetly and just resets end resets all the time. Then I decided to do some more investigation.
Before I found the source to the trouble, I`ve disconnected almost everything in my house, Problem still there. Then I connected the scope to the mains supply, and there I could see a spike in every sine cycle. Just like the phase cutting triac regulation. Then I remembered a 1700W regulator in the house.,, Jepp, thats where the problem where.
When I disconnected this one, Internet came back.
So, end of story; I made a RC snubber circuit over the triac and added a ferrite inductor between the triac and the load and now I got my 5mbit Internet connection back again.
Any others out there that had similar problems?:innocent:

Comments

  • jazzedjazzed Posts: 11,803
    edited 2014-09-14 15:06
    Wow what a story.

    Congrats on finding that.
  • LoopyBytelooseLoopyByteloose Posts: 12,537
    edited 2014-09-14 23:46
    Great detective work. It really demonstrates that owning an oscilloscope remains worthwhile in the 21st century. There are just some situations where there is no other tool to locate the problem.
  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    edited 2014-09-15 01:20
    I have not seen such dramatic cases of interference.

    Once we had an FM broadcast radio in a lab that would sometimes not work. The station we were listening to would just disappear. And most of the others as well. We always meant to open it up and see what was wrong. Before we did someone noticed that whenever a particular piece of equipment was turned on the radio would go dead.

    Turned out that that equipment had a 7805 voltage regulator in a big TO-3 package that was oscillating and blasting out RF all over the FM band.
  • Mark_TMark_T Posts: 1,981
    edited 2014-09-15 08:52
    Heater. wrote: »
    Turned out that that equipment had a 7805 voltage regulator in a big TO-3 package that was oscillating and blasting out RF all over the FM band.

    Never thought a 7805 would have the bandwidth! high inductance ground connection I assume. There'll be radio hams trying to QRP with
    one now!
  • LA6WNALA6WNA Posts: 138
    edited 2014-09-15 11:57
    The case is that the triac regulator regulates a floor heating cable. Exactly under that floor, is where my ADSL line comes into my house. Guess that`s why it picks up the noise that well. Cables are antennas, you know. Even twisted pair cables.
    I use two main methods to find such noise; HF-radio where I can hear the noise and ocilloscope where I can see it. :smile:
    That 7805 regulator ocillating was new to me, but it surely could happen. Guess it where in combination with cap`s and inductors in the circuit, and then the most unexpected things could happens. With so many radiovawes in the air, one thing is for sure; one day some of them will interfere with eachother. We`ll have to live with it.
  • xanaduxanadu Posts: 3,347
    edited 2014-09-15 14:03
    I had a DSL modem a few years back that would lose DSL sync if a vacuum cleaner was plugged into outlets at that end of the house. Took awhile to realize that it was AC noise but it was really obvious once I noticed. The modem had an external 12v power supply. I used a computer power supply in place of it and it would stay online with the vacuum on.
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