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Where is the Propeller Manual?

David BetzDavid Betz Posts: 14,516
edited 2014-08-29 23:25 in Propeller 1
I know I'm probably just looking in the wrong place but I spent some time just now trying unsuccessfully to find the Propeller Manual on the Parallax web site. I couldn't find either the downloadable copy or a print copy I could purchase. Where is the Propeller Manual hiding?

Thanks,
David
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  • kuronekokuroneko Posts: 3,623
    edited 2014-08-26 16:41
    Search box: propeller manual, then follow 3rd (for me) entry
  • kwinnkwinn Posts: 8,697
    edited 2014-08-26 16:42
    It also comes with the propeller tool download.
  • David BetzDavid Betz Posts: 14,516
    edited 2014-08-26 16:47
    kuroneko wrote: »
    Search box: propeller manual, then follow 3rd (for me) entry
    Thanks! I tried searching somewhere along the way but I must have been in a subpage that searched differently than the main page because I didn't find it. I guess from the page I found it isn't available anymore in print. That's too bad. Also, I was surprised that I couldn't find it under either "Books" or "Downloads". Now that I know it isn't available in print form that explains why it isn't under "Books" but it seems like it should be under "Downloads".
  • Chris SavageChris Savage Parallax Engineering Posts: 14,406
    edited 2014-08-26 17:07
    Also if you have the Propeller Tool installed and you click on the Help Menu, Propeller Manual is available which brings up the copy of the PDF already installed on your PC. :thumb:
  • WBA ConsultingWBA Consulting Posts: 2,934
    edited 2014-08-26 17:11
    I always found it easiest to find it here:

    Propeller_Manual_Location.jpg


    edit: Chris posted while I was grabbing the screenshot, :smile:
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  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    edited 2014-08-27 01:43
    The Propeller Tool does not run here.

    Why are the Propeller and the docs so hard to find on the web site? Seems I'm not the only one who has found that to be so.
  • David BetzDavid Betz Posts: 14,516
    edited 2014-08-27 03:08
    Chris Savage wrote: »
    Also if you have the Propeller Tool installed and you click on the Help Menu, Propeller Manual is available which brings up the copy of the PDF already installed on your PC. :thumb:
    Thanks Chris but I don't use the Propeller Tool since I do all of my work on a Macintosh using PropGCC. Anyway, thanks to some suggestions here, I found it along with the Propeller data sheet so I'm all set for now. You might want to consider adding it to the downloads section.
  • PaulPaul Posts: 263
    edited 2014-08-27 06:55
    Heater. wrote: »
    The Propeller Tool does not run here.

    Why I]is anything[/I so hard to find on the web site? Seems I'm not the only one who has found that to be so.

    FTFY
  • mindrobotsmindrobots Posts: 6,506
    edited 2014-08-27 07:06
    Here's the v1.01 of the Propeller Manual that has the since deleted Chapter 3 Tutorial.

    It is a shame that all this good stuff is lost and or so hard to find - Anything Propeller should just jump right off the website at you and be easy to find in multiple ways.
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    WebPM-v1.01.zip
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  • Chris SavageChris Savage Parallax Engineering Posts: 14,406
    edited 2014-08-27 08:23
    Heater. wrote: »
    The Propeller Tool does not run here. Why are the Propeller and the docs so hard to find on the web site? Seems I'm not the only one who has found that to be so.

    Heater,

    I just clicked on Microcontrollers / Propeller / Chips. Then click on any of the available packages for the Propeller chip. Under Downloads & Documentation is a link to the datasheet, manual, etc. This is where I would expect to find it. Is there another place you think we should have it available? It can be found using the search window as well.
  • David BetzDavid Betz Posts: 14,516
    edited 2014-08-27 08:39
    Chris Savage wrote: »
    Heater,

    I just clicked on Microcontrollers / Propeller / Chips. Then click on any of the available packages for the Propeller chip. Under Downloads & Documentation is a link to the datasheet, manual, etc. This is where I would expect to find it. Is there another place you think we should have it available? It can be found using the search window as well.
    I guess I expected to find it somewhere other than in the store. Maybe put a link to it here as well? http://www.parallax.com/microcontrollers/propeller
    That page already has a link to the Propeller data sheet but maybe a link to the manual would be helpful too?

    Thanks,
    David
  • davejamesdavejames Posts: 4,047
    edited 2014-08-27 09:01
    Chris Savage wrote: »
    I just clicked on Microcontrollers / Propeller / Chips. Then click on any of the available packages for the Propeller chip. Under Downloads & Documentation is a link to the datasheet, manual, etc.

    FYI, and ICAOC (in case anyone cares), the two following links reference the same v1.2 Propeller manual - the one minus the tutorial:
    http://www.parallax.com/downloads/p8x32a-propeller-manual
    http://www.parallax.com/downloads/propeller-manual

    Where would the v1.01 manual be found?
  • PublisonPublison Posts: 12,366
    edited 2014-08-27 09:09
    davejames wrote: »
    FYI, and ICAOC (in case anyone cares), the two following links reference the same v1.2 Propeller manual - the one minus the tutorial:
    http://www.parallax.com/downloads/p8x32a-propeller-manual
    http://www.parallax.com/downloads/propeller-manual

    Where would the v1.01 manual be found?

    Not on the Parallax site:

    https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=Propeller%20Manual%20v1.01&safe=off

    Should be in the Sticky, (it may be but I haven't checked.

    http://www.farnell.com/datasheets/82523.pdf
  • Chris SavageChris Savage Parallax Engineering Posts: 14,406
    edited 2014-08-27 09:16
    David Betz wrote: »
    I guess I expected to find it somewhere other than in the store. Maybe put a link to it here as well? http://www.parallax.com/microcontrollers/propeller
    That page already has a link to the Propeller data sheet but maybe a link to the manual would be helpful too?

    Thanks,
    David

    I will notify Marketing of your suggestion right now. Your point is valid. :thumb:
  • PublisonPublison Posts: 12,366
    edited 2014-08-27 09:19
    Maybe no one else brought this up, (I thought I brought this up before), but the links in the sticky are no good.

    Sticky.jpg


    They still point to the old Parallaxsemiconductor site.
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  • Chris SavageChris Savage Parallax Engineering Posts: 14,406
    edited 2014-08-27 09:19
    davejames wrote: »
    FYI, and ICAOC (in case anyone cares), the two following links reference the same v1.2 Propeller manual - the one minus the tutorial:
    http://www.parallax.com/downloads/p8x32a-propeller-manual
    http://www.parallax.com/downloads/propeller-manual

    Where would the v1.01 manual be found?

    Dave,

    If I may be so bold...why would you want the older version? As I recall there were issues that were solved in the newer version and leaving the older one online might lead to someone finding it and assuming it is current, causing some tech calls and hard feelings. :innocent:
  • PublisonPublison Posts: 12,366
    edited 2014-08-27 09:26
    Chris Savage wrote: »
    Dave,

    If I may be so bold...why would you want the older version? As I recall there were issues that were solved in the newer version and leaving the older one online might lead to someone finding it and assuming it is current, causing some tech calls and hard feelings. :innocent:

    The Chapter three was priceless when I was first learning the Prop. I guess there should be a caveat when directing someone to the old manual.
  • David BetzDavid Betz Posts: 14,516
    edited 2014-08-27 09:29
    Publison wrote: »
    The Chapter three was priceless when I was first learning the Prop. I guess there should be a caveat when directing someone to the old manual.
    Maybe someone could extract that chapter and make it available separately?
  • davejamesdavejames Posts: 4,047
    edited 2014-08-27 09:53
    Chris Savage wrote: »
    If I may be so bold...why would you want the older version?

    You may certainly be bold with me, Sir. :smile:

    Why the older version? - for the missing content (aka "Chapter 3"), of course.
  • davejamesdavejames Posts: 4,047
    edited 2014-08-27 09:54
    David Betz wrote: »
    Maybe someone could extract that chapter and make it available separately?

    I suspect the "powers that be" assumed the Learn material would take its place.
  • PublisonPublison Posts: 12,366
    edited 2014-08-27 09:59
    To be fair to Parallax, the content of the tutorials where transferred to the Propeller help menu, but that does not help the Mac/Linux users.
  • PublisonPublison Posts: 12,366
    edited 2014-08-27 10:16
    Chapter Three attached with Copyright Info.
    pdf
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    Propeller Chapter 3.pdf
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  • mindrobotsmindrobots Posts: 6,506
    edited 2014-08-27 10:17
    Publison wrote: »
    To be fair to Parallax, the content of the tutorials where transferred to the Propeller help menu, but that does not help the Mac/Linux users.

    Nothing can help us Mac and Linux users! :innocent:
  • LoopyBytelooseLoopyByteloose Posts: 12,537
    edited 2014-08-27 10:41
    How about an excerpt of the Tutorial Chapter from V.1.01 of the Propeller Manual in pdf form?

    Parallax could create such a document.... this is the bootleg version as I believe it doesn't have the right copyright boilerplate.

    IMHO, management has been asleep at the wheel about providing this to protect their revenue source. It is a bit sad.

    Attachment PDF removed as a copyrighted version was provided by Publison of the same.
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  • pik33pik33 Posts: 2,366
    edited 2014-08-27 11:36
    Why was this chapter deleted?

    It should return in the newest version of the manual.
  • PublisonPublison Posts: 12,366
    edited 2014-08-27 11:51
    Loopy Byteloose wrote: »
    How about an excerpt of the Tutorial Chapter from V.1.01 of the Propeller Manual in pdf form?

    Parallax could create such a document.... this is the bootleg version as I believe it doesn't have the right copyright boilerplate.

    IMHO, management has been asleep at the wheel about providing this to protect their revenue source. It is a bit sad.

    George,

    Isn't that what I posted in # 23?

    I included a copyright.
  • PublisonPublison Posts: 12,366
    edited 2014-08-27 11:53
    pik33 wrote: »
    Why was this chapter deleted?

    It should return in the newest version of the manual.

    I believe because it was included in the Help menu of the Propeller Tool.
  • doggiedocdoggiedoc Posts: 2,241
    edited 2014-08-27 11:59
    Loopy Byteloose wrote: »
    IMHO, management has been asleep at the wheel about providing this to protect their revenue source. It is a bit sad.
    Sounds a bit harsh George. I think Parallax goes out of it's way to provide for its customers. As for "to protect their revenue source" comment. I think you are wrong. But even so, they have every right to do so.

    Paul
  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    edited 2014-08-27 12:00
    So whose idea was that? They are in need of a public flogging. In the nicest possible way of course.
  • Jeff MartinJeff Martin Posts: 758
    edited 2014-08-29 12:35
    Hi Everyone,

    Glad to see that the contents of the "missing" chapter were published here for now.

    That chapter was moved from the "printed" manual to the on-line help (both Propeller Tool and on the web at one time, I believe) because we wanted to update it and were gradually moving away from bulk printed matter because of maintenance hassles it causes. Soon after, we got heavily involved in multi-platform efforts and haven't revisited this yet... but we will now! ;-)

    We'll take care of these loose ends in the next few weeks and it will be more visible and available. Sorry for the confusion.
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