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quadcopter options Vs. Cost

mklrobomklrobo Posts: 420
edited 2014-07-24 07:46 in General Discussion
:smile: I would like to ask a question, where permissible. :smile:
I have seen other quadcopters for sale in Tower Hobbies, for $80 - $up. What does
the Parallax quadcopter offer me, over the other copter versions, to overcome the difference
in $? I love Parallax products like everybody else, but I need some options avaliable. Is there
a propeller on board with the kit? are there accessories avaliable, GPS, camera transmissions,
and other capabilities? Can I put a Raspberry Pi on it, with the propeller? :innocent: Please advise. :innocent:

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  • W9GFOW9GFO Posts: 4,010
    edited 2014-07-22 15:32
    I highly recommend the Hubsan X4, you can get one for $40. Get one to fly indoors or out, use up a few crashes on it instead of the ELEV-8 and you'll be that much further ahead in learning to fly the ELEV-8.

    The ELEV-8 is much more capable, and of course is a kit which you have to put together. It comes with a HoverFly board that uses a Propeller chip. Unlike the Hubsan, the ELEV-8 will not automatically level itself* when you release the control sticks. The ELEV-8 would greatly benefit from this feature in my opinion.

    Since it is a kit, and has about 2 lbs of payload capacity, you can add pretty much whatever you want as long as it isn't too heavy.


    *you could upgrade to the HoverFly Pro in order to gain this feature but it is quite expensive. I would prefer to see Parallax offer an add-on IMU to enable this feature.
  • mklrobomklrobo Posts: 420
    edited 2014-07-22 15:51
    W9GFO wrote: »
    I highly recommend the Hubsan X4, you can get one for $40. Get one to fly indoors or out, use up a few crashes on it instead of the ELEV-8 and you'll be that much further ahead in learning to fly the ELEV-8.

    The ELEV-8 is much more capable, and of course is a kit which you have to put together. It comes with a HoverFly board that uses a Propeller chip. Unlike the Hubsan, the ELEV-8 will not automatically level itself* when you release the control sticks. The ELEV-8 would greatly benefit from this feature in my opinion.

    Since it is a kit, and has about 2 lbs of payload capacity, you can add pretty much whatever you want as long as it isn't too heavy.


    *you could upgrade to the HoverFly Pro in order to gain this feature but it is quite expensive. I would prefer to see Parallax offer an add-on IMU to enable this feature.

    10-4. Thanks for the info.:cool:
    I will probably have to start with the Hubsan X4, as you have suggested. Tower hobbies also sells flight simulators; for the quadcopters, - ?
    The auto leveler function, could be programmed with the power or a Raspberry Pi, I assume.(add gyros) I have a project that I will need a
    camera, and some other functions, so the ELEV-8 sounds good, with a 2 LB capacity. It will work nicely for research on crops.:smile:
  • mklrobomklrobo Posts: 420
    edited 2014-07-22 15:52
    Does the Quadcopter come with a propeller chip? Do I have to buy that seperately?
  • Ken GraceyKen Gracey Posts: 7,392
    edited 2014-07-22 15:55
    W9GFO wrote: »
    I would prefer to see Parallax offer an add-on IMU to enable this feature.

    And this is in our plan. Have you been bugging my office, Rich?

    First, we are releasing the new ELEV-8 V2 with proper documentation on August 1st, then we begin the add-on IMU design that will plug onto the top of the OPEN board. Long-term, we will have a full educational program that includes progressive code examples like you find in our other tutorials. This all takes time, sometimes a long, long time. But I assure you we'll do it right. First step is the kit's hardware revisions and assembly guide.

    Ken Gracey

    Ken Gracey
  • Ken GraceyKen Gracey Posts: 7,392
    edited 2014-07-22 16:08
    mklrobo wrote: »
    Does the Quadcopter come with a propeller chip? Do I have to buy that seperately?

    Yes, the ELEV-8 includes the Hoverfly OPEN flight controller.

    To answer your top question, you will certainly find full systems with more capabilities (GPS, return to home) than the Parallax ELEV-8. Our niche with the ELEV-8 is the following:

    - high quality kit with replacement parts readily available (or make them on your own)
    - proper support to get it in the air and stay there - a crash isn't the end of the fun with our product
    - consistency from year to year in basic design, like the Boe-Bot chassis
    - Made in the USA with the highest-quality parts we can build or source (ESCs and motors come from China, always)
    - educational support (coming, not obvious yet)

    In time we will have add-on hardware that provides the capabilities you want, but this process takes time. You'll notice that the OPEN board has a header and could accommodate a stacked board on top with IMU/GPS.

    Ken Gracey
  • W9GFOW9GFO Posts: 4,010
    edited 2014-07-22 16:10
    mklrobo wrote: »
    Tower hobbies also sells flight simulators; for the quadcopters, - ?
    The auto leveler function, could be programmed with the power or a Raspberry Pi, I assume.(add gyros)...

    A flight sim is a good idea. The Propeller can handle auto level but you will need to add accelerometers, gyros are already on the HoverFly board - or wait for the Parallax IMU...
  • mklrobomklrobo Posts: 420
    edited 2014-07-22 17:07
    Ken Gracey wrote: »
    Yes, the ELEV-8 includes the Hoverfly OPEN flight controller.

    To answer your top question, you will certainly find full systems with more capabilities (GPS, return to home) than the Parallax ELEV-8. Our niche with the ELEV-8 is the following:

    - high quality kit with replacement parts readily available (or make them on your own)
    - proper support to get it in the air and stay there - a crash isn't the end of the fun with our product
    - consistency from year to year in basic design, like the Boe-Bot chassis
    - Made in the USA with the highest-quality parts we can build or source (ESCs and motors come from China, always)
    - educational support (coming, not obvious yet)

    In time we will have add-on hardware that provides the capabilities you want, but this process takes time. You'll notice that the OPEN board has a header and could accommodate a stacked board on top with IMU/GPS.

    Ken Gracey
    :cool: Awesome!:cool:
    I might as well wait for the new product comes out, because the library add-ons, and people hacks, will outweigh the cost of it;
    I always will have access to quality products that parallax offers.
    Since I have you here, I will ask another question.....(sneaky):innocent:
    When is the P2 coming out, and how powerfull will it be? Does Parallax plan a response
    to Raspberry Pi or Beaglebone, or build an interface? (Inquiring minds want to know!):lol:
  • W9GFOW9GFO Posts: 4,010
    edited 2014-07-22 18:09
    I think the V2 is using the same board, if so then I don't think the current version will be left out of the soon to be available upgrades.
  • Ken GraceyKen Gracey Posts: 7,392
    edited 2014-07-22 22:00
    mklrobo wrote: »
    When is the P2 coming out, and how powerfull will it be? Does Parallax plan a response
    to Raspberry Pi or Beaglebone, or build an interface? (Inquiring minds want to know!):lol:

    P2 will be coming out about 60 days after the design is finished. :lol: <= back at ya! Truthfully, I've quoted so many delivery schedules over the last eight years I've finally learned my lesson. In a few weeks I've got a couple days with Chip so I'll extract a progress report from him.

    As for a response to RasPi or Beaglebone, our audience tends to be less interested in operating system-based embedded devices and more interested in deterministic multicore microcontrollers. We have no specific plans for such a device but maybe our community can produce such a system.

    Ken Gracey
  • Ken GraceyKen Gracey Posts: 7,392
    edited 2014-07-22 22:02
    W9GFO wrote: »
    I think the V2 is using the same board, if so then I don't think the current version will be left out of the soon to be available upgrades.

    Right, same board. I think I mentioned somewhere else that we try not to obsolete good designs with our upgrades. As such, the new ELEV-8 V2 is mostly compatible with the prior version in terms of parts, repair and design. The improvements relate to ease of assembly, quality of components, aesthetics, and crash repair. We will produce a list of these changes.

    Ken Gracey
  • David BetzDavid Betz Posts: 14,516
    edited 2014-07-23 04:47
    Ken Gracey wrote: »
    Right, same board. I think I mentioned somewhere else that we try not to obsolete good designs with our upgrades. As such, the new ELEV-8 V2 is mostly compatible with the prior version in terms of parts, repair and design. The improvements relate to ease of assembly, quality of components, aesthetics, and crash repair. We will produce a list of these changes.

    Ken Gracey

    Crash repair? That sounds like something I need desperately. I'm still having a hard time getting the hang of flying the Elev-8 and mine is broken more often than it is working. I'm looking forward to V2! :-)
  • mklrobomklrobo Posts: 420
    edited 2014-07-23 06:10
    David Betz wrote: »
    Crash repair? That sounds like something I need desperately. I'm still having a hard time getting the hang of flying the Elev-8 and mine is broken more often than it is working. I'm looking forward to V2! :-)
    :innocent: I might have to look into Geico insurance.:lol: Just kidding!:lol:
  • JLockeJLocke Posts: 354
    edited 2014-07-24 06:52
    Fifteen minutes can save you 15 percent (or so I've been told).
  • David BetzDavid Betz Posts: 14,516
    edited 2014-07-24 07:46
    mklrobo wrote: »
    :innocent: I might have to look into Geico insurance.:lol: Just kidding!:lol:
    Only if you live near Bedford, NH. :-)
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