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I need some 'how-to' help.

trookstrooks Posts: 228
edited 2014-07-23 08:01 in General Discussion
WInders is my current greatest pane. My pane level is now at 7.0.

How do I cut and paste from the BS2 editor and/or the debug screen to provide the usually obligatory examples of what is not working with my current head-banging' project?


About that smoking topic elsewhere on this forum: I always loose the battle when my hand-to-mouth swap leads to needing a new wardrobe ]8-(>.


Tim

PC is the current day McCarthyism.

Comments

  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    edited 2014-07-20 09:31
    Trooks,

    Ouch, you certainly don't want to upgrade your pain level to 8 or 8.1 ! Just get a Linux up and be pain free. Sort of...

    If the regular Ctl-c, Ctl-v is not working can't you get a screen capture of a window or screen region in Windows? I have no idea.
  • LoopyBytelooseLoopyByteloose Posts: 12,537
    edited 2014-07-20 09:40
    Ummm... sorry, but Linux isn't going help with your BS2 editor being installed in Windows.

    It would help to know which version of Windows and the Google 'screen capture' for that particular version.

    http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/take-screen-capture-print-screen#take-screen-capture-print-screen=windows-8
  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    edited 2014-07-20 09:44
    Yes, sorry, you are right Loopy. But that's why the "Sort of..." was tacked on the end.

    Perhaps an upgrade from BS2 to Propeller is called for if Parallax can't be bothered with cross platform support.
  • LoopyBytelooseLoopyByteloose Posts: 12,537
    edited 2014-07-20 09:53
    I suppose pain level 7 is Windows 7 in code.

    Here is a link of all OSes that might help.
    http://www.take-a-screenshot.org/

    Oddly I can only find Windows 8 and XP via Google searches. XP might work with Windows7. I really can't be sure, never tried.
    http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-xp/help/setup/take-a-screen-shot
  • Duane DegnDuane Degn Posts: 10,588
    edited 2014-07-20 09:58
    Use code tags.
    [noparse]
     code goes here
    
    [/noparse]

    Without code tags:

    Indentation
    is
    important

    With code tags
      Indentation 
        is
         important
    
  • Duane DegnDuane Degn Posts: 10,588
    edited 2014-07-20 10:01
    Either I didn't understand the OP question, or Heater and Loopy didn't. I'm still not sure myself. I thought Tim was asking about how to post code to the forum.
  • ercoerco Posts: 20,256
    edited 2014-07-20 10:16
    Or he might mean a screen capture.

    Hit your "print screen" key, which captures a screen shot into your copy buffer. You can paste that into MS Paint or some other image editing program, then crop it and save as a JPEG.
  • RDL2004RDL2004 Posts: 2,554
    edited 2014-07-20 10:26
    erco wrote: »
    Or he might mean a screen capture.

    Hit your "print screen" key, which captures a screen shot into your copy buffer. You can paste that into MS Paint or some other image editing program, then crop it and save as a JPEG.

    In addition, Alt+print screen will capture only the active window. As far as text in the editor goes, any normal copy/paste operations should work fine.

    http://www.wikihow.com/Copy-and-Paste
  • Duane DegnDuane Degn Posts: 10,588
    edited 2014-07-20 10:29
    RDL2004 wrote: »
    As far as text in the editor goes, any normal copy/paste operations should work fine.

    Agreed. IMO, "print screen" images are harder to read and they take up much more memory than just copying the text (placed between code tags).
  • trookstrooks Posts: 228
    edited 2014-07-20 10:29
    Heater. wrote: »
    Trooks,

    Ouch, you certainly don't want to upgrade your pain level to 8 or 8.1 ! Just get a Linux up and be pain free. Sort of...

    If the regular Ctl-c, Ctl-v is not working can't you get a screen capture of a window or screen region in Windows? I have no idea.

    "... Ctl-c, Ctl-v ..." ??? Haven't seen such references since I gave up my command line<G>.
  • TtailspinTtailspin Posts: 1,326
    edited 2014-07-20 10:35
    Windows Logo Key + PrntScrn, will drop the picture into your Screen-shot folder, in your Pictures folder.
    Alt + PrntScrn will copy only the active window. and will still need to be pasted.
    PrntScrn by itself, will copy the whole screen, and will need to be pasted.


    Or, better yet, search for "Snipping Tool" from your desktop search.
  • RDL2004RDL2004 Posts: 2,554
    edited 2014-07-20 10:39
    trooks wrote: »
    "... Ctl-c, Ctl-v ..." ??? Haven't seen such references since I gave up my command line<G>.

    Those are standard keyboard commands. They've been part of Windows since nearly the beginning. I think Linux uses them (or something similar, control+shift+v ?) also. Please check the link at the bottom of my previous post (#9)
  • trookstrooks Posts: 228
    edited 2014-07-20 10:42
    Ummm... sorry, but Linux isn't going help with your BS2 editor being installed in Windows.

    It would help to know which version of Windows and the Google 'screen capture' for that particular version.

    http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/take-screen-capture-print-screen#take-screen-capture-print-screen=windows-8


    Thanks Loopy,

    Sooo ... Windows and Linux do not talk to one another... right? Way back when Windows did at least gave me access DOS which feed my inner soul by being able to do some .batty programs for transfer to my PDP 11E. Is it feasible to program on a Windows machine and use a Linux machine to monitor what a BS2 does with that program?

    I have to admit I do Windows but I refuse to Google.

    Tim
  • trookstrooks Posts: 228
    edited 2014-07-20 10:46
    Duane Degn wrote: »
    Use code tags.
    [noparse]
     code goes here
    
    [/noparse]

    Without code tags:

    Indentation
    is
    important

    With code tags
      Indentation 
        is
         important
    

    Duane,

    Errr... Umm.. Huh?

    Is this RKN(Reverse Klingon Notation)? I no speak Klingon or whatever this is.

    Thanks for the thought though.

    Tim
  • trookstrooks Posts: 228
    edited 2014-07-20 10:54
    erco wrote: »
    Or he might mean a screen capture.

    Hit your "print screen" key, which captures a screen shot into your copy buffer. You can paste that into MS Paint or some other image editing program, then crop it and save as a JPEG.


    erco,

    There is substance out in the fog. At least my K260 wireless KBD has a 'Print Screen' key.

    It quickly fades since I have never used the image editing program that came with my digital camera. I have not even hooked up my printer since I last replaced my PC.

    Sometimes I think my name is Rip Van Winkle.

    It's the thought that counts.


    Tim
  • TtailspinTtailspin Posts: 1,326
    edited 2014-07-20 11:00
    Print Screen will not copy anything to your printer...
    Print Screen will only copy the screen image into a new file, and only then can you print the file from your printer.
  • trookstrooks Posts: 228
    edited 2014-07-20 11:08
    RDL2004 wrote: »
    In addition, Alt+print screen will capture only the active window. As far as text in the editor goes, any normal copy/paste operations should work fine.

    http://www.wikihow.com/Copy-and-Paste



    RDL2004,

    Aha! We are getting somewhere now.

    If I enlarge the editor to full screen then 'Print Screen' stores an image of just that... Right?

    Does my Windows edit function pass as 'normal'. I tried selecting all then Alt-e - c and then Alt-e p with no success. That was the extent of my know-how.

    I've been meaning to check out Wiki. Is it anything like Wickam(sp?)?

    Thanks,

    Tim
  • Duane DegnDuane Degn Posts: 10,588
    edited 2014-07-20 11:08
    trooks wrote: »
    Duane,

    Errr... Umm.. Huh?

    Is this RKN(Reverse Klingon Notation)? I no speak Klingon or whatever this is.

    Thanks for the thought though.

    Tim

    Try Phil's tutorial.

    attachment.php?attachmentid=78421&d=1297987572

    If you don't use the percent sign in your code, you don't need to worry about which editor your're using.
  • LoopyBytelooseLoopyByteloose Posts: 12,537
    edited 2014-07-20 11:11
    Gawd... this thread is a train wreck.
  • trookstrooks Posts: 228
    edited 2014-07-20 11:12
    Ttailspin wrote: »
    Windows Logo Key + PrntScrn, will drop the picture into your Screen-shot folder, in your Pictures folder.
    Alt + PrntScrn will copy only the active window. and will still need to be pasted.
    PrntScrn by itself, will copy the whole screen, and will need to be pasted.


    Or, better yet, search for "Snipping Tool" from your desktop search.

    Ttailspin,

    Thanks much.

    Now I have a good place to get started playing with my computer toy.

    Tim
  • trookstrooks Posts: 228
    edited 2014-07-20 11:14
    RDL2004 wrote: »
    .... Please check the link at the bottom of my previous post (#9)

    Will do and thanks again.
  • TtailspinTtailspin Posts: 1,326
    edited 2014-07-20 11:14
    Gawd... this thread is a train wreck.
    "lying in the rubble, cinder, smoke and ash, my heart still pounding from the effects of the crash"
    I love that song.. I'm gonna have to remember the title now...

    edit: the song is called "Train Wreck of emotion"
  • Duane DegnDuane Degn Posts: 10,588
    edited 2014-07-20 11:21
    Gawd... this thread is a train wreck.

    I hope someone corrects me if I'm wrong (again) but isn't the "normal" way to post one's code examples to the forum by using code tags?

    This allows others to copy and paste the code in their own editors. To copy code this way, I find it easiest to "Reply With Quote" and copy the code from the open editor rather than copying it from the post itself. The open editor can then be "Cancel"ed.

    While this need to copy from the editor is inconvenient, I think it is still much easier than attempting to copy code from a screen capture.

    If the code is long, then attaching the code as a file is a good idea.

    Edit: The code tags would work in conjunction with RDL2004' copy and paste instructions.
  • trookstrooks Posts: 228
    edited 2014-07-20 11:29
    Much thanks to all for the many replies.

    I now have much to check out and find what works best for me. Given my proclivities whatever takes less work will suit me to a tee.

    I used to tell people with new computers to just try stuff and not worry that you will 'permanently' break it.

    That was before the web though. Now there are things you could do that could leave you broke.


    Hands off the mouse and step away from the keyboard. Your bird and butterfly count is way out of date and weeds are eternal. Get outside.

    Tim
  • Duane DegnDuane Degn Posts: 10,588
    edited 2014-07-20 11:36
    Heater. wrote: »
    If the regular Ctl-c, Ctl-v is not working can't you get a screen capture of a window or screen region in Windows?

    I believe this is what started all the screen capture talk. Notice, Heater correctly assumed one would use the normal copy and paste procedure first. It's not only the easiest on the one posting the code, it's also much much easier on those trying to answer the questions about the code.
  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    edited 2014-07-20 12:21
    trooks,
    "... Ctl-c, Ctl-v ..." ??? Haven't seen such references since I gave up my command line<G>

    Wait a minute,
    Ctl-c, Ctl-v have been standard fair on every Windows GUI application I have ever been forced to use. I believe it was introduced or at least solidified into a standard interface technique by Microsoft Windows. I don't even recall it working on the command line, perhaps in edit and other DOS apps.

    Ctl-c, Ctl-v is now almost universal, you should see the way I deftly copied and pasted your quote here using the Chrome browser on Linux.

    Given that this is a standard that is over thirty years old I wonder how it's possible you have missed it.

    After that there is the less nice screen capture approach, favourite among the authors of "How to operate Windows programs" documents. Again something that has been around for three decades.

    If all that fails I would take a snap shot of the screen with your Polariod and post it to Parallax :)



  • tritoniumtritonium Posts: 543
    edited 2014-07-20 13:32
    Hi
    Yep right click, then hit the copy function, or control C to copy, then control V to paste into destination. Of course no one has mentioned that the text in question must be 'selected' ie highlighted, before it will copy.
    Just thought I'd mention it....
    Dave
  • trookstrooks Posts: 228
    edited 2014-07-21 11:53
    Heater. wrote: »
    trooks,

    Wait a minute,
    Ctl-c, Ctl-v have been standard fair on every Windows GUI application I have ever been forced to use. I believe it was introduced or at least solidified into a standard interface technique by Microsoft Windows. I don't even recall it working on the command line, perhaps in edit and other DOS apps.

    Ctl-c, Ctl-v is now almost universal, you should see the way I deftly copied and pasted your quote here using the Chrome browser on Linux.

    Given that this is a standard that is over thirty years old I wonder how it's possible you have missed it.

    After that there is the less nice screen capture approach, favourite among the authors of "How to operate Windows programs" documents. Again something that has been around for three decades.

    If all that fails I would take a snap shot of the screen with your Polariod and post it to Parallax :)




    The only reason I have Windows is that it is the only way I can hook anything new to my computer.

    I have each app in it's own folder with any associated files needed to run the app or save my work.

    I use the mouse to get to an app and only then do I start using the keyboard after I unplug the DSL. I do use IE Private Mode for web searching. I close each session and open a new window to refine my searches. Sometimes I can go from millions of responses down to a hundred or so in three or four sessions. Sometimes I work down to a handful of responses and most of them are in foreign languages. Since there is no cross scripting I do not leave info to draw spam nor do I pick up any nasty things that might make my PC(or me) ill.

    It seems like about thirty or so years since Windows took away the DOS shell and I drifted away into other pastimes and only used my PC for email which was a job requirement during the last half of my career.

    I only came back when a friend got me interested in a project for fun _and_ potential profit.

    I have been using a digital camera to copy key pages out of manuals and paste them to a sub folder within each app. It improves readability of large tables since I can magnify them to my liking and saves having to have lots of manuals cluttering my workspace.

    HAND,

    Tim
  • trookstrooks Posts: 228
    edited 2014-07-23 08:01
    I am marking this question solved even though I am still digesting and experimenting with the replies I received.

    Thanks to all,

    Tim
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