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New Raspberry Pi B+

TonyDTonyD Posts: 210
edited 2014-07-19 13:56 in General Discussion
A new version of the Pi model B has been announced:

http://www.raspberrypi.org/blog/#introducing-raspberry-pi-model-b-plus

Whilst the CPU is the same Broadcom 2835 as before, with the same memory configuration it looks like they've made significant changes to the board layout and tweaked the circuit.

4 USB's instead of 2.
Micro-SD instead of SD
40-pin expansion connector including, with 26x GPIO
I2C for Board ID EEPROM
TV out RCA connector removed, TVout moved to 3.5mm 4-pole A/V jack sitting next to HDMI connector
4x mounting holes placed near corners and board edges.
improved PSU circuit using SMPS
New Power OK LED
Seperate 5V Reg for HDMI

Comments

  • LeonLeon Posts: 7,620
    edited 2014-07-14 05:22
    They are in stock at Farnell and RS. I'll be getting one tomorrow from Farnell.
  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    edited 2014-07-14 05:24
    Yes indeed. What a great day.

    Time to start redesigning all our Propeller add on boards for the Pi. Perhaps a pain but it's worth it. A "plate" sitting on that new 40 pin header and bolted down with the new mounting holes will be much more robust.
  • TorTor Posts: 2,010
    edited 2014-07-14 06:32
    Looks good, although I don't care for the change to microSD (IMO microSD is only useful for permanent storage, not removable/interchangeable storage). Will have to wait for the USD exchange rate to drop a bit though - it sits just above the current VAT trigger point which would in practice double the price for me due to customs handling charges.
    For a moment I was also thinking 'why no USB3.0 at this point?', but then I realised that the PI is nothing like e.g. an Odroid board where it makes sense with USB3.0.
  • 4x5n4x5n Posts: 745
    edited 2014-07-14 08:25
    Tor wrote: »
    Looks good, although I don't care for the change to microSD (IMO microSD is only useful for permanent storage, not removable/interchangeable storage). Will have to wait for the USD exchange rate to drop a bit though - it sits just above the current VAT trigger point which would in practice double the price for me due to customs handling charges.
    For a moment I was also thinking 'why no USB3.0 at this point?', but then I realised that the PI is nothing like e.g. an Odroid board where it makes sense with USB3.0.

    I'm actually like the move to micro-sd. The SD card always stuck out from the board to far for my liking.
  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    edited 2014-07-14 09:00
    I use micro-SD cards on different ARM boards all the time. Normally they are not swapped in and out a lot. Once you have your OS up and running that's about it unless something goes horribly wrong. They are not really used as removable/interchangeable storage on such systems. Those big old cards sticking out of the Pi are a pain.
  • Oldbitcollector (Jeff)Oldbitcollector (Jeff) Posts: 8,091
    edited 2014-07-14 09:03
    I'm really shocked that they didn't upgrade the CPU on this board. Two USB ports isn't enough to make me want to chuck the first board and buy another...
    Perhaps some Ebay deals will start happening on 2 port units. I wouldn't mind a couple more sub $15 B units. :)
  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    edited 2014-07-14 09:14
    I am really glad they did not upgrade the CPU on this board and would have been shocked if they had.

    Being fully backwards compatible is a big thing when you have two million users and not much in the way of resources to support a whole different OS.

    Changing the SoC would have been a whole new design, no doubt more expensive, and not being backward compatible would cripple it's take up. All in all it would just be another Cubie board or whatever. There is already intense competition in that area so it would be a total flop.

    It's rather akin to the way Parallax promises to keep it's Propeller around for a long time. New things may come around that outperform it in some ways but that is not the total value proposition (Excuse the MBA speak).

    I don't have much need for the extra USB ports but the over all rearrangement of everything is very elegant. Power consumption has been lowered a lot. The extra GPIO are a bonus. All in all I'm looking forward to getting some.
  • User NameUser Name Posts: 1,451
    edited 2014-07-14 09:26
    I applaud all these changes. I've been using a tiny 3A SMPS from Hobby King right from the get-go. And an SD card is needlessly bulky...I'm using micro adapters anyway.

    Also, the bulk and extra expense of a USB expander for every board was annoying.

    Proper mounting holes...great!

    RCA connector was wasted space, an homage I suppose to customers in Botswana and Bangladesh who may have nothing but an old TV...and an old cable.

    You certainly can't fault the RaspberryPi Foundation for being unresponsive or impractical!
  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    edited 2014-07-14 09:40
    Oh yeah, many times I was close to just lopping those big old ugly old connectors off.

    I don't know about the customers in Botswana or Bangladesh though. When the Pi was designed they were not in anyway the target market. I don't think the Pi was ever imagined outside of the UK initially. Where at the time kids still had old tube TV's in the bedrooms. A recreation of the BBC computer idea. Things have changed very rapidly with TV screens in a very short space of time.
  • jmgjmg Posts: 15,173
    edited 2014-07-14 13:59
    I'm really shocked that they didn't upgrade the CPU on this board.

    I suspect that was because they had no true upgrade in the Broadcom choices available.
    SoC design tends to ignore legacy compatibility totally whilst any upgrade needs to be exactly that - a true upgrade with total backward coverage.
  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    edited 2014-07-14 17:39
    Whilst Broadcom may not have a SoC to upgrade to, I have no idea really, from the statements made by Eben Upton and others from The Raspberry Pi Foundation we can be sure that this was only ever intended to be a "clean up" maintaining total backward compatibility. This is a very wise approach.
  • Cluso99Cluso99 Posts: 18,069
    edited 2014-07-14 19:25
    This is a fantastic refresh. The backward compatibility matters heaps to all the sw out there.
    They have managed to keep the expanded 40 pin header using the first 26 pins unchanged - they are a terrible layout but are now a standard for the Pi so they just had to be kept.
    Aligning the connectors is great and another 2 usb are another welcome addition.

    What I find unusual is the pinning arrangement of the AV connector. I know there are 2 variants (and Apple use both on different products). The tip and first ring are for audio (standard) but the next 2 can be either way depending on the product. They have chosen 3=GND and 4=Video. It seems the more common AV cable is 3=video and 4=gnd.

    Anyway, it's a very welcome update. There are something like ~3M original B's out there!

    And I forgot...
    The microSD is also a welcome change. I use SD to microSD adapters when requiring SD cards.
  • jmgjmg Posts: 15,173
    edited 2014-07-14 19:56
    Cluso99 wrote: »
    What I find unusual is the pinning arrangement of the AV connector. I know there are 2 variants (and Apple use both on different products). The tip and first ring are for audio (standard) but the next 2 can be either way depending on the product. They have chosen 3=GND and 4=Video. It seems the more common AV cable is 3=video and 4=gnd.

    That did seem a bit bass-ackwards, I wondered if they get less crosstalk (better audio) with GND between video and Audio, or if the spring-tine GND connection is better than the (usually) ground-ring ?
    Hopefully they tried both, and chose this for a real reason.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 7,620
    edited 2014-07-15 08:29
    My board arrived this morning. I inserted a NOOBS SD card, attached a PS and HDMI monitor, and it booted up OK. I'll attach a keyboard and mouse and have a play with it.
  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    edited 2014-07-15 08:33
    I'm amazed they come out of the end of the supply chain so quickly. Especially after the long waits for the original Pi.

    I'm interested in how the power consumption compares. It is said to be a lot less than the original design.
  • User NameUser Name Posts: 1,451
    edited 2014-07-15 08:48
    Heater. wrote: »
    I don't think the Pi was ever imagined outside of the UK initially.

    You could be right. I though I heard early on that helping the Third World was the goal of the Foundation, hence the A and B models. I may have confused this with OLPC.
    Things have changed very rapidly with TV screens in a very short space of time.

    Aye, they have.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 7,620
    edited 2014-07-15 09:02
    Heater. wrote: »
    I'm amazed they come out of the end of the supply chain so quickly. Especially after the long waits for the original Pi.

    I'm interested in how the power consumption compares. It is said to be a lot less than the original design.

    Farnell was out of stock, yesterday evening!

    It doesn't run very hot, at any rate.

    Keyboard and mouse are working OK.
  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    edited 2014-07-15 09:13
    When Eben Upton conceived the Pi idea he was working at Cambridge University and noticed how there were far fewer applicants for the CS department than a decade or so before. Not only that but those that did apply had far less experience of programming. This meant that the CS course had to waste a lot of time getting the new undergrads up to speed on programming before they could start on actual computer science.

    Eben speculated that this was because in previous decades the new intake had already been programming on their C64's, Sinclair Spectrums, BBC computers etc since they were young kids. The new generation, growing up in the PC centric world had no such experience. As he said it used to be that a while ago kids came to uni already having used multiple assembler languages and high level languages but the new intake had no such experience.

    Hence the Pi idea. Give the young kids something very cheap they can hack on. Recreate that era of the Sinclair Spectrums in a modern way.

    So, the whole show is based on the idea of stimulating interest in computing and engineering in the UK. The whole "third world" thing was just a happy accident of all of this.

    The OLPC thing puzzles me. They wanted to bring computing to kids around the world. How come they didn't just put the thing on sale to anyone and everyone? Thus stimulating mass production, lowering the cost and enabling the thing to get where it was intended to go.
  • whickerwhicker Posts: 749
    edited 2014-07-15 17:44
    Heater. wrote: »
    The OLPC thing puzzles me. They wanted to bring computing to kids around the world. How come they didn't just put the thing on sale to anyone and everyone? Thus stimulating mass production, lowering the cost and enabling the thing to get where it was intended to go.

    Limited Supply. No corporate backing behind the scenes = Limited funding and very high risk.
    And if I recall correctly, there was an option to "buy one, donate one" OLPC.
  • WBA ConsultingWBA Consulting Posts: 2,934
    edited 2014-07-15 23:26
    As stated somewhere on the raspberrypi.org site, the B+ is simply the "final evolution of the B model" which explains the use of the same chip. They also stated that both the A and B versions will continue alongside the B+ (and compute module).

    I like everything they changed, but what I like best are the mounting holes and improved connector placement. My number one annoyance with dev boards is designing them so they fit in a box. I have yet to find a decent enclosure for the pi A or B because of the horrible layout. It was simply not designed to go in a box without a fight.....
  • TonyDTonyD Posts: 210
    edited 2014-07-16 08:51
    here's a link to some power comparison tests comparing the newer B+ to the older B model

    http://raspi.tv/2014/how-much-less-power-does-the-raspberry-pi-b-use-than-the-old-model-b
  • whiteoxewhiteoxe Posts: 794
    edited 2014-07-17 04:33
    Hello,
    Please, what is the easiest way to add analoge pins to the raspberry pi ?
  • TonyDTonyD Posts: 210
    edited 2014-07-17 04:57
    whiteoxe wrote: »
    ..what is the easiest way to add analoge pins to the raspberry pi ?
    The Pi doesn't have any analogue inputs so the easiest way is to use a I2c or SPI ADC chip. the 8-channel Microchip MCP3008 is popular. Here's a board I build using the 4-ch MCP3004 (on the right hand side):

    minipiio_expander2_dio16_ain4_small.jpg

    I wrote up a tutorial on setting the Pi up for it here
  • whiteoxewhiteoxe Posts: 794
    edited 2014-07-17 06:39
    thanks very much,
  • whickerwhicker Posts: 749
    edited 2014-07-17 11:39
    I like everything they changed, but what I like best are the mounting holes and improved connector placement. My number one annoyance with dev boards is designing them so they fit in a box. I have yet to find a decent enclosure for the pi A or B because of the horrible layout. It was simply not designed to go in a box without a fight.....

    Cyntech has very good cases for the A and B.
    They have an accessory cover for the SD card as well.
    .
    http://shop.cyntechgroup.com/collections/enclosures
  • RsadeikaRsadeika Posts: 3,837
    edited 2014-07-17 13:53
    I just got one, Microcenter was showing none on there website, but in store they had some. My new toy for this weekend, will see how it works out.

    Ray
  • WhitWhit Posts: 4,191
    edited 2014-07-18 05:40
    Starting to get interested against my will...
  • RsadeikaRsadeika Posts: 3,837
    edited 2014-07-18 13:43
    I just ran my new B+ through some paces, the new power regulator makes a very big difference. Before, on the regular model-B I was having a lot of trouble with my WiFi w/antenna module, it seems now the problem has disappeared. I just had my B+ running with the WiFi module plugged in, a USB thumb drive inserted, the camera module plugged in, SimpleIDE loaded with an attached QS board, and the B+ did not skip a beat. And this is being powered by battery pack. I am giving the new B+ a five star(*****) rating.

    Now I have to go out and purchase a class-10 uSD card, reload the system and the B+ should perform very nicely.

    Forgot to mention when you plug in new modules into the USB port, the B+ does not reboot anymore, it continues to run normally, that was a problem with the model-B.

    Ray
  • jmgjmg Posts: 15,173
    edited 2014-07-19 13:56
    Rsadeika wrote: »
    Forgot to mention when you plug in new modules into the USB port, the B+ does not reboot anymore, it continues to run normally, that was a problem with the model-B.
    Does it have any firmware revision numbers showing at boot indicating changes ?
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