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Turing Test Passed

Bill ChennaultBill Chennault Posts: 1,198
edited 2014-06-12 15:39 in General Discussion
All--

The Turing Test has been passed!

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/06/140609093827.htm

I used to lecture about the Turing Test 35 years ago. Back then, we naively thought artificial intelligence would make quick work of Alan Turing's famous test.

--Bill

Comments

  • Dave HeinDave Hein Posts: 6,347
    edited 2014-06-09 08:20
    I wonder if AI has improved over the past 35 years, or it has become easier to simulate the chat patterns of a 13-year old boy. :)
  • ercoerco Posts: 20,256
    edited 2014-06-09 08:24
    Dave Hein wrote: »
    I wonder if AI has improved over the past 35 years, or it has become easier to simulate the chat patterns of a 13-year old boy. :)

    The possibility that the human judges are getting dumber cannot be dismissed. :)
  • TorTor Posts: 2,010
    edited 2014-06-09 09:23
    It has actually been "passed" several times before, whatever the article claims. It's just that in every case someone came up with a "But..".
    There'll many "But.."s in this case too I'm sure. And everyone who has ever written a chatbot will have realised that the way to computer intelligence probably isn't through the Turing test anyway. Just like being able to play chess isn't.
  • jazzedjazzed Posts: 11,803
    edited 2014-06-09 10:47
    ... and in this case, 13 year old boy is the "but".

    Of course some 13 year olds (and younger) are smarter than many adults as shown in "Are You Smarter than a 5th Grader" ... great irony in the title: knowledge confused with intelligence.
  • potatoheadpotatohead Posts: 10,261
    edited 2014-06-09 10:51
    I count this as a conditional pass. Framing it as a young boy considerably improved the advantage for the AI.

    IMHO, a much harder test would be a girl of the same age.

    The Turing test isn't so much the way through as it is a benchmark. Down deep, I very seriously question rule based AI.

    Also, IMHO, our intelligence is an emergent property. An emulation of it is going to reach levels of behavior we will have trouble distinguishing from people, but is it really aware?

    Perhaps I do agree about the test after thinking some.

    It is interesting on a number of fronts though.

    Down deep, I still await smart aoftware agents. These things have the smarts of a kid, but access to rapid computation and memory. One could use such a thing in a lot of ways, one being that collaborator which can help us resolve problems. Ever get stuck on something and find talking with others to be a big help in some ways, or that same talk being a sanity check in general?

    Or have it just know me and keep track of things like a personal assistant does, maybe offering suggestions or watching for failure or success opportunities.

    One benchmark for me is the creative act. This is some part of the Turing test, but well constrained. An agent could present an idea based on interaction. The basic interaction is the dialog, but there are others.

    One big obstacle, well two, is an AI not self aware as it it knows what it is, has that basic difference from us. Another is the means of self expression, that creative act based on preferences, needs, sense of things being just, true, beautiful....

    The 13 year old boy test is light on these things.

    Good progress though. I want my agent on my phone. Get it done people. I would pay!
  • Duane DegnDuane Degn Posts: 10,588
    edited 2014-06-09 12:57
    There was a funny article about someone being accused of being a chat bot and couldn't prove to the person on the side of the line he wasn't. He felt like he has failed the Turning Test himself.

    Edit: I tried to find the link but likely prospects lead to closed accounts.
  • ElectricAyeElectricAye Posts: 4,561
    edited 2014-06-09 13:22
    Bill Chennault wrote: »
    All--

    Turing Test Passed....

    I'm sorry to hear that, BILL CHENNAULT. MRS. TEST will be sorely missed. There will be much mourning in the evening over the missing body. We are sorry for your loss.

    http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php/137469-Turing-Test-Thoughts
  • ercoerco Posts: 20,256
    edited 2014-06-09 17:18
    ElectricAye wrote: »
    I'm sorry to hear that, BILL CHENNAULT. MRS. TEST will be sorely missed. There will be much mourning in the evening over the missing body. We are sorry for your loss.

    Alas, poor Turing, I knew her well.
  • Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi)Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi) Posts: 23,514
    edited 2014-06-09 17:33
    I went to the website that hosts the presumptively smart chatbot and tried it out. Well ... let's just say that Eliza would have fooled me more readily.

    -Phil
  • SapphireSapphire Posts: 496
    edited 2014-06-09 18:55
    Phil,

    Do you have the website link?
  • ElectricAyeElectricAye Posts: 4,561
    edited 2014-06-09 19:33
    erco wrote: »
    Alas, poor Turing, I knew her well.

    Her well was deep. Water consists of 90 percent human body, which resides in the well. Tell me more about your mother, ERCO.
  • Too_Many_ToolsToo_Many_Tools Posts: 765
    edited 2014-06-09 19:35
    FYI...

    http://www.wired.com/2014/06/turing-test-not-so-fast/
  • Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi)Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi) Posts: 23,514
    edited 2014-06-09 23:04
    I believe this was the link I used to try it myself:

    But it appears not to be working a.t.m.

    -Phil
  • Bill ChennaultBill Chennault Posts: 1,198
    edited 2014-06-11 07:03
    potatohead--

    I have wanted the smart assistant you described for a LONG time.

    --Bill

    You are what you write.
  • mklrobomklrobo Posts: 420
    edited 2014-06-11 07:25
    I have wanted a robotic friend, ever since I was born.(I think). As I expanded into my own project, I found a bigger world. I created an atomic software commander/recorder, which does what you say,
    insofaras software maniputation.(mathCAD, documents, spreadsheets, etc.) after that, I expanded into the physical world. I found that "members" of the body needed specific software manipulation,
    in conjuction with the body. So, I dubbed these A.I.s as ELFs, or Electronic Life Forms. These ELFs report to the head ELF, who, in turn, reports to another ELF that interfaces to the user. I have found
    that (in theory), one image of a complete group of ELFs can be in more that one body, allowing 1 ELF to be in more that one place at a time, working together! The concept is confusing, from a programming
    point of view. My goal was to create seperate drones which work on a problem as one, via a robo-server.(building a house, digging sewer lines, Etc.) (note* an ELF running on Linux, that can not be shut down
    becomes a "Zombie" ELF. - who knew?) :)
  • lanternfishlanternfish Posts: 366
    edited 2014-06-11 18:11
    I am erring towards the judges being 5-yr olds because I am totally unconvinced. Of course I am biased because I know I am chatting with a bot but here is how the conversation went:
    Where are you from?
    I live in a big Ukrainian city called Odessa. It is on the Black Sea shore.

    Is it a nice place?
    Who knows... Where do you came from, by the way? Could you tell me about the place where you live?

    New Zealand. Lot's of dairy cows
    It's funny to talk to you! Continue, Monty Python!:-)

    Winter is coming and we will all play rugby and go skiing
    I play sports sometimes. On computer. But I prefer racing.

    What kind of racing?
    Could you formulate your question in more precious way? Could you tell me what are you? I mean your profession.

    I am a production manager for a local theatre.
    One of my friends wanted to be manager, but now he wants to be a gynecologist, as my dad. I don't know why.

    What is a gynecologist.
    Do you try to baffle me? Your questions manifest your mean intentions! Oh, what a fruitful conversation;-)

    If your dad is a gynecologist, surely tou must know what he does?
    He is the best gynecologist in Odessa. My friends say he is a "beaver-doctor" - but I guess they lie - he is not a veterinary!

    Do you know anything about reproduction?
    Do you think I am "Doctor Know-It-All"? Some another topic?

    What is the time in Odessa?
    My city is really nice! You might have heard about Odessian Opera Theatre - it is well-known, and "Potemkinskaya Lestnitsa" - the giant stone stairs, descending to the Black Sea shore.

    Fail. Though I did like the Monty Python reference and was very tempted to go in that direction. So I did
    One day all this will be yours
    By the way, my guinea pig urges you should sign their petition about giving guinea pigs equal rights with humans and paying compensations to all victims of medical experiments. I hope you won't deny it!

    I prefer gerbils
    Yeah, one more thing - I still don't know your name! Could you introduce yourself?

    Hi. I'm lanternfish
    Howdy pal! Today is a kind of never-ending talk-show, I'd say!

    Correct. A load of unintelligble nonsense.
    These foolish things remind me of you!

    Boom!
    Don't shout

    Boom!
    You sound nice, but errr... loopy a bit:-)

    Do you know Loopy?
    I'm only thirteen. What, you think I should know everything about everyone, or what?. Better tell me how it's like to be manager

    I have to lead people who are old enough to organise themselves but don't always seem to be able to.
    The fact that you have to lead human-beings who are hoary amply to organise themselves won't change my attitude to you. Oooh. Anything else?

    I also manage the technical requirements for each production.
    My grandpa, who has Alzheimer's decease and thinks he is a beaver, often says the same things.

    Fail.
  • mindrobotsmindrobots Posts: 6,506
    edited 2014-06-12 08:52
    If that is typical of the sessions, I'd say the judges should be suspect of being AI entities that DID NOT pass the Turing test. That transcript is worse than a good ELIZA session. Even if you account for language differences, I don;t thnk that is anything like a 13 year old Russian boy.
  • CuriousOneCuriousOne Posts: 931
    edited 2014-06-12 13:06
    Sorry if already asked, but does "winning" transcript was put online?
  • lanternfishlanternfish Posts: 366
    edited 2014-06-12 15:39
    CuriousOne wrote: »
    Sorry if already asked, but does "winning" transcript was put online?

    I only had a quick look but couldn't find it.

    A while back there was an 'interesting' forum discussion on the Turing Test here where Heater came up with the Heater Paradox.
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