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Thicker HASL layer on PCB pads. Is it possible?

william chanwilliam chan Posts: 1,326
edited 2014-04-24 10:19 in General Discussion
As you may know, I am always looking for ways to save costs and time in electronics manufacturing.

So, I am wondering whether we can ask a PCB manufacturer to deposit a thicker HASL ( Hot Air Solder Lead ) layer on the PCB pads, maybe double the usual thickness.

The reason for doing this is so that we can place surface mount components directly on the pads without any solder paste and reflow them in an oven. ( with just a brushing of flux )
I am particularly interested in soldering QFN and QFP parts this way.

This method, if it works, will save costs by eliminating the stencil and save time in the solder paste depositing process.

What do you guys think? Can it be done?

Comments

  • T ChapT Chap Posts: 4,223
    edited 2014-04-22 18:12
    You need some height of paste to allow the part to correct to some degree with surface tension after reflow, especially important on QFN. There would not be enough solder with that method you mentioned IMO. Spreading a flux on sounds like a messy option, plus it adds an extra step of flux cleaning. I would not like the instability of flux alone holding parts in place in transit between the machine and the oven. I would be concerned about the solder height being inconsistent, whereas paste would bridge the gap to make the connection from pad to pin.
  • william chanwilliam chan Posts: 1,326
    edited 2014-04-22 18:32
    T Chap wrote: »
    You need some height of paste to allow the part to correct to some degree with surface tension after reflow, especially important on QFN. There would not be enough solder with that method you mentioned IMO. Spreading a flux on sounds like a messy option, plus it adds an extra step of flux cleaning. I would not like the instability of flux alone holding parts in place in transit between the machine and the oven. I would be concerned about the solder height being inconsistent, whereas paste would bridge the gap to make the connection from pad to pin.

    If the HASL layer is double the normal thickness, it would provide sufficient height for surface tension?
    What happens if we don't clean the flux after reflow? Would it affect the functionality of the board?
  • Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi)Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi) Posts: 23,514
    edited 2014-04-22 18:46
    To be effecitve, I think the flux has to be mixed with the powdered solder in the paste. The reflow preheat activates the flux, and the closer it's mixed with the solder, the better. Also, solder paste is slightly adhesive, which keep the parts from shifting between pick-and-place and reflow.

    I would not even consider replaceing this process with thicker HASL -- even if it were possible. What little you save would be made up several times over in solder rework costs.

    -Phil
  • T ChapT Chap Posts: 4,223
    edited 2014-04-22 18:46
    There are no clean fluxes, so I can't say that you would definitely have a cleaning need. However, there are components that absolutely can be affected by flux remaining on the part and under the part, even if the flux is no clean. So components, especially like QFN and other small parts, may have specific instructions as to flux cleaning requirements. Some will even state that "no clean" is not an option without further processes to remove it.

    BTW, I use a stencil printer with a pick and place daily, and would never try that method.
  • Duane C. JohnsonDuane C. Johnson Posts: 955
    edited 2014-04-22 19:02
    Hi William;

    As T Chap mentions the solder paste has several functions.
    1. It is sticky and holds the chips in place with surface tension.
    2. It contains the flux.
    3. It has thermal conductive properties to get the pin up to temperature so the paste melts evenly.

    Back to your question:
    Flux by itself doesn't have much surface tension so the chip may easily move or wander making contact with a neighboring pad.

    There may be a method though.
    Some use a glue dot under the chip to hold it in place better.
    This glue dot has a very high solvent content. As the glue dries its volume is greatly reduces. Instead of a bulging blog it starts to shrink causing the dot to form a narrow waist which has pulls the chip downward with considerable force. This causes even uneven pins to make good contact.

    With a thicker HASL layer this glue may make it work.

    Usually there is only 1 glue dot used, but maybe several dots could help keep the chip registered.

    Just a thought.

    Duane J
  • william chanwilliam chan Posts: 1,326
    edited 2014-04-22 19:59
    T Chap wrote: »
    BTW, I use a stencil printer with a pick and place daily, and would never try that method.

    How does a stencil printer look like?
  • T ChapT Chap Posts: 4,223
    edited 2014-04-22 20:03
    It is just a stainless stencil on a frame with a base that allows you to adjust the pcb's underneath for alignment. Plenty of images on google or youtube. Mine is homemade, but you can buy off the shelf and just have your stencile made from your own gerbers or pcb software.
  • WBA ConsultingWBA Consulting Posts: 2,934
    edited 2014-04-23 00:33
    Yes, soldering/reflowing SMT parts without solderpaste can be done, but it requires the bare circuit boards to undergo a special process which does involve solderpaste. The process was at one time called "fluxed solder bumping" and was patented by HP in 1988. There have been some changes over the years and today the process is referred to as Solid Solder Deposit by the one company that I know of that offers this service: SIPAD Systems Incorporated. Check them out, but be forewarned that pricing may prevent you from using this.

    If you were ably to get a 3 mil deposition of solder to the pads by the fab house, you could replicate this process in a way by using a tacky flux evenly applied to the board before placing parts similar to what is used for typical rework processes for BTCs (IE: BGAs, LGAs, QFNs, DFNs, etc). For those rework processes, I use Kester tacky flux TSF-6592LV and it would be worth a try for this as it can be applied with squeegee and/or stencil methods.
    Although I have used the process for single part locations for rework, I have never tried to do it for an entire board. If I were to try it for an entire board, I would cut a polyimide stencil on my laser to apply the flux to the solder-bumped pads. One issue I can see is that the solder on the pads may not be flat nor evenly distributed which may introduce issues during reflow.
  • william chanwilliam chan Posts: 1,326
    edited 2014-04-23 03:12
    Ok, so basically you are saying that if the HASL layer is 75 micro meters thick, then re-flow without solder paste will work?
    Should the tacky flux be applied only to the pads or to the whole IC footprint?
  • Mark_TMark_T Posts: 1,981
    edited 2014-04-23 05:21
    Has anyone tried using a PnP machine to dunk each component onto a layer of solderpaste before
    placing it on the PCB? Not so good for QFN by leaded components might work...

    Could component leads be pre-treated with solder layer?
  • WBA ConsultingWBA Consulting Posts: 2,934
    edited 2014-04-23 11:40
    Ok, so basically you are saying that if the HASL layer is 75 micro meters thick, then re-flow without solder paste will work?
    Should the tacky flux be applied only to the pads or to the whole IC footprint?

    Theoretically, yes. Some trials would need to be ran to confirm the process, but essentially it would be possible. The tacky flux should only be applied to the pads, as it serves no purpose if it is not in contact with the solder and component lead. However, excess flux on the board will cause no issues other than additional fumes during reflow, so the flux application does not need to be perfectly restricted to pads only.
    Mark_T wrote: »
    Has anyone tried using a PnP machine to dunk each component onto a layer of solderpaste before
    placing it on the PCB? Not so good for QFN by leaded components might work...

    Could component leads be pre-treated with solder layer?

    Dunking components into paste would not work as the viscosity and surface tension of the paste would prevent you from having an adequate amount of paste on the leads as well as not producing any uniformity on the leads of a part. If the paste was very "wet", in other words a higher amount of flux than typical, you may be able to get more paste to adhere to the leads, but I severely doubt you could be successful with any solder joints.

    Yes, component leads can be pre-treated with a solder layer, but it's normally done as a "chunk" of solder added to a lead. They are normally called "solder charges" and they are used commonly on very high density interconnects that mount like BGAs. Samtec's SeaRay series of connectors are a prime example, see the attached picture. At work, we place one of these connectors that is a 6 row, 50 pins per row format, so 300 pins in all. And, yes, it is fun.....:tongue:
    1024 x 464 - 57K
  • T ChapT Chap Posts: 4,223
    edited 2014-04-23 14:09
    What is the problem with using a stainless stencil? 1 - 2 minutes per panel. Very simple stuff.
  • william chanwilliam chan Posts: 1,326
    edited 2014-04-24 01:19
    Hi Andrew,

    Do you know
    1. What is the typical thickness of 6oz copper in micro meters?
    2. What is the typical thickness of a HASL layer in micro meters?
  • WBA ConsultingWBA Consulting Posts: 2,934
    edited 2014-04-24 10:19
    Wow, 6 oz copper? That's a heavy duty board, but that would be approximately 8.4 mils, so ~213 micro meters. (1 oz copper is 1.4 mils, so 1.4x6=8.4)

    Typical HASL is 1.4-2.0 mils, so 35-50 micro meters.
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