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Whhhhaaa?

average joeaverage joe Posts: 795
edited 2014-04-17 17:53 in Propeller 2
So I have been away for a couple months due to complications in life. Last thing I could really follow was the 5W discussion. So I'm wondering (without time to read through a few thousand threads) what has happened to the P2? Has the schedule been pushed back? Will it live in FPGA for now? Is the P16x32 the new path for real silicon? References to Chip's posts would be awesome. Wish I had more time to catch up but... Life...

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  • dnalordnalor Posts: 222
    edited 2014-04-12 10:20
    As I understood the P2 will come back later in a smaller prozess than the 180nm. The new P2 or P1+ will be with 16 P1 -Cogs and the pins from P2 + changes and new features and new names and and and.....
    The best is to lay back,look,wait and hope for the best.


    http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php/155132-The-New-16-Cog-512KB-64-analog-I-O-Propeller-Chip?p=1257406&viewfull=1#post1257406

    http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php/155145-Putting-smarts-into-the-I-O-pins?p=1257780&viewfull=1#post1257780
  • kwinnkwinn Posts: 8,697
    edited 2014-04-12 12:14
    dnalor wrote: »
    As I understood the P2 will come back later in a smaller prozess than the 180nm. The new P2 or P1+ will be with 16 P1 -Cogs and the pins from P2 + changes and new features and new names and and and.....
    The best is to lay back,look,wait and hope for the best.


    http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php/155132-The-New-16-Cog-512KB-64-analog-I-O-Propeller-Chip?p=1257406&viewfull=1#post1257406

    http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php/155145-Putting-smarts-into-the-I-O-pins?p=1257780&viewfull=1#post1257780

    Good advice. Wouldn't hurt to cross your fingers and wish hard either. I have.
  • T ChapT Chap Posts: 4,223
    edited 2014-04-12 12:17
    RIP p2...

    May I propose a moment of silence at Midnight tonight GMT.
  • RossHRossH Posts: 5,477
    edited 2014-04-12 18:44
    T Chap wrote: »
    RIP p2...

    May I propose a moment of silence at Midnight tonight GMT.

    The P16X32 Parallax is now proposing is much more like the original idea for a P2 than the 5W P2 ended up being.

    So it is more a matter of "The King is dead, long live the King!"

    Ross.
  • mindrobotsmindrobots Posts: 6,506
    edited 2014-04-12 18:46
    T Chap wrote: »
    RIP p2...

    May I propose a moment of silence at Midnight tonight GMT.

    Seems kind of harsh.....it's not dead, it's just resting.
  • Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi)Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi) Posts: 23,514
    edited 2014-04-12 19:12
    The P2 was just the rather bloated-looking pupal stage of the P1+, which will soon ultimately emerge as a beautiful butterfly. :)

    -Phil
  • T ChapT Chap Posts: 4,223
    edited 2014-04-12 19:17
    Seeing that it shall some day be reborn...

    In Greek mythology, a phoenix or phenix (Ancient Greek φοίνιξ ph
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  • Roy ElthamRoy Eltham Posts: 3,000
    edited 2014-04-12 19:56
    Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi) wrote: »
    The P2 was just the rather bloated-looking pupal stage of the P1+, which will soon ultimately emerge as a beautiful butterfly. :)

    -Phil

    Phil, you just said the same thing I said in the other thread, but you said it in one line with a nice metaphor. :)
  • RossHRossH Posts: 5,477
    edited 2014-04-12 20:19
    Roy Eltham wrote: »
    Phil, you just said the same thing I said in the other thread, but you said it in one line with a nice metaphor. :)

    Yes, a very nice analogy. What about calling the new processor the "Monarch"?

    Ross.
  • Tracy AllenTracy Allen Posts: 6,664
    edited 2014-04-13 16:09
    Ross, I think of it more as a dragonfly--Watch, a whir of wings, right on target.

    Joe, I'm waiting for the dust to settle. I don't know enough to kick up any myself!
  • T ChapT Chap Posts: 4,223
    edited 2014-04-13 16:42
    I was going to post the Dragonfly earlier but skipped it. Multiple wings, one main body. It also goes through several phases of life to reach it's final stage. I think it is a nice image. But, every idea I like already has some processor gadget on the market with the same or very similar concept.
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  • TubularTubular Posts: 4,705
    edited 2014-04-13 17:19
    P1+ will surely be beautiful too

    Here's where we're at with P2, with apologies to Eric Carle and his hungry caterpillar,

    We've "eaten through" the page that has everything from swiss cheese to cherry pie, with just usb/serdes ("watermelon") left to eat though.

    Unfortunately, at that point P2 had a (power consumption induced) stomach ache.

    Now we're eating a nice, green leaf, and slimming down a little (but not too much), before entering the Onsemi cocoon
  • RaymanRayman Posts: 14,758
    edited 2014-04-13 18:12
    I think it's time to let go of the old P2 and embrace the new P2.

    And, I think it'd be offended to be called P1+...
  • koehlerkoehler Posts: 598
    edited 2014-04-13 18:22
    Not sure, P-Anything is immediately reminiscent of the Intel P2/P3.....


    Rayman wrote: »
    I think it's time to let go of the old P2 and embrace the new P2.

    And, I think it'd be offended to be called P1+...
  • jmgjmg Posts: 15,175
    edited 2014-04-13 18:22
    Rayman wrote: »
    I think it's time to let go of the old P2 and embrace the new P2.

    And, I think it'd be offended to be called P1+...

    yes, P2(pre-alpha) has become P2(release candidate)
    (well, it will after some FPGA builds and OnSemi Sim reality checks )
  • TubularTubular Posts: 4,705
    edited 2014-04-13 18:29
    Perhaps the working codenames could be PintoProp and CaddyProp
  • Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi)Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi) Posts: 23,514
    edited 2014-04-13 18:40
    jmg wrote:
    P2(pre-alpha) has become P2(release candidate)
    A bit premature, I think. P2-beta, maybe.
    Tubular wrote:
    ... PintoProp ...
    Oh, dear! As the previous (thankfully) owner of a Ford Pinto, I can say with authority that an associaiton with that POS car would be an insult to any product.

    -Phil
  • RaymanRayman Posts: 14,758
    edited 2014-04-13 19:02
    I always thought "phalanx" would be a good codename for P2...
  • localrogerlocalroger Posts: 3,452
    edited 2014-04-14 15:41
    mindrobots wrote: »
    Seems kind of harsh.....it's not dead, it's just resting.

    I seem to recall a Monty Python skit about a parrot to which this was the unfortunate punch line.
  • mindrobotsmindrobots Posts: 6,506
    edited 2014-04-14 16:27
    localroger wrote: »
    I seem to recall a Monty Python skit about a parrot to which this was the unfortunate punch line.

    Ding, ding, ding!!!

    You win the prize! I was going to attach the clip but I've been posting from my tablet or phone and that attachment stuff is too hard if not on a proper PC.
  • Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi)Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi) Posts: 23,514
    edited 2014-04-14 16:50
    And Chip, who's spent time in Finland, might well be pining for the fjords by now. :)

    -Phil
  • mindrobotsmindrobots Posts: 6,506
    edited 2014-04-14 17:07
    ...in case anyone is wondering.........
  • richaj45richaj45 Posts: 179
    edited 2014-04-17 14:42
    So after 8 years, Parallax has no viable product for their many dollars spent.
    I don't know how long a company can continue like that.

    I hope the P1 stays around for years to come but that will only happen if Parallax makes good business decisions.
    I don't see how a viable business can let a forum full of enthusiastic people, whom have no dollars in the outcome, drive the product decision to the point of silicon bloat and 5 watts.
    Sounds more like a hobby-shop than a for profit company.

    Sorry for being harsh, but i have seen many companies over the years make the same mistake. One product is a success and instead of incrementally improving, those companies shot for the moon and loosed. Those companies are no longer with us.

    Just don't want that to happen to Parallax.

    cheers,
    rich
  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    edited 2014-04-17 15:22
    Being old and English I was taught that it's very vulgar to talk about money. Especially other peoples.

    It is not our business how Parallax balances it's books.

    We were invited here to throw ideas about a future product into the development process.

    And so we did. In bucket loads.

    I am confident something very wonderful will come out of this.

    Even if it does not make the instant riches of an Instagram.
  • richaj45richaj45 Posts: 179
    edited 2014-04-17 15:27
    @Heater, fair enough.
    My bad.

    cheers,
    rich
  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    edited 2014-04-17 15:37
    Which is not to say I don't share your worries.

    But it is not so cut and dry. The ARM processor was a crazy, audacious, venture when it was kicked off by a small company with no money.

    Somebody, somewhere, has to do this crazy **** else we make no progress.
  • David BetzDavid Betz Posts: 14,516
    edited 2014-04-17 17:53
    Heater. wrote: »
    Which is not to say I don't share your worries.

    But it is not so cut and dry. The ARM processor was a crazy, audacious, venture when it was kicked off by a small company with no money.

    Somebody, somewhere, has to do this crazy **** else we make no progress.
    I agree completely. If it were up to me, the P2 might be very different than either what is currently planned or the more ambitious chip that has been postponed. However, it would probably have been boring and too much of a "me too" chip to have had any chance of having much impact. What Parallax comes up with may or may not be a success but it will certainly not be boring and it's their courage to be different that gives it the most chance of capturing attention.
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