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Canon Pixma MP620 printer woes - DUMPED IT!

davejamesdavejames Posts: 4,047
edited 2014-03-25 12:46 in General Discussion
Hi All,

After contacting Canon, I thought I'd put out a query amongst the tech-wizards here.

I have a Canon Pixma MP620 printer given to me as a Christmas gift from my lovely wife around 4 years back. It has worked flawlessly up until a few nights ago when it suddenly reported an error code "U052 - blah blah blah incorrect print head installed blah blah blah".

No amount of reseating the ink tanks, reseating the print head, or powering up/down has cleared the error.

Searching the Interweb I discovered others having this problem, and that they "fixed" it by replacing the print head at $60 - $90!

All that said...have any of you dealt with the same issue? If so, how was it resolved?

I don't want to buy another printer right now. I really don't want to spend money on a part that might not fix the problem.

Thoughts? Pearls of Wisdom? Tips?

Oh - and I'm not interested in "raggin on Canon" type responses. The air around the printer is still tinged blue from my own "colorful metaphors".

Thanks much.
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  • Bob Lawrence (VE1RLL)Bob Lawrence (VE1RLL) Posts: 1,720
    edited 2014-03-12 15:15
    Are you you using [FONT=Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif] after market cartridges? or OEM?[/FONT]

    [FONT=Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif]Did the problem start after changing [/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif]cartridges[/FONT][FONT=Verdana, Geneva, sans-serif]?[/FONT]
  • davejamesdavejames Posts: 4,047
    edited 2014-03-12 15:58
    Are you you using after market cartridges? or OEM?

    Did the problem start after changing cartridges?

    Hi Bob,

    OEM cartridges, always.

    Cartridges were not changed prior to the error code occurring.
  • RDL2004RDL2004 Posts: 2,554
    edited 2014-03-12 16:43
    Built in obsolescence?

    It just may be internet myth, but I've heard there were (are?) printers that would stop printing and claim the drum was worn out or bad even though it was fine, just because a certain number of pages had been printed.
  • kwinnkwinn Posts: 8,697
    edited 2014-03-12 16:47
    No experience with this model of printer, but you might try cleaning the contacts for the cartridge in the printer.
  • davejamesdavejames Posts: 4,047
    edited 2014-03-12 16:50
    kwinn wrote: »
    No experience with this model of printer, but you might try cleaning the contacts for the cartridge in the printer.

    ...thanks - did, no joy.
  • davejamesdavejames Posts: 4,047
    edited 2014-03-12 16:52
    RDL2004 wrote: »
    Built in obsolescence?.

    ...well this does raise the question of just how long something like a print head is supposed to last.

    I could see, that after around four years of frequent/heavy use, the print head might "wear out" (whatever that means). But in this particular case, we're talking infrequent use, maybe every couple weeks when I print out a schematic, Word doc, or the list of tunes for Sunday morning.
  • Bob Lawrence (VE1RLL)Bob Lawrence (VE1RLL) Posts: 1,720
    edited 2014-03-12 17:52
    OEM cartridges, always.

    That eliminates one thing.


    Q2 Are you getting the error as soon as you power the printer up or when you send it a print command? If it's only on a print command I would try a self test. This would eliminate the computer, computer program, Drivers etc.
  • davejamesdavejames Posts: 4,047
    edited 2014-03-12 22:43
    Q2 Are you getting the error as soon as you power the printer up or when you send it a print command?

    Consistently on power up. Like, just outa nowhere. Worked one day, the next - nyet!
  • LoopyBytelooseLoopyByteloose Posts: 12,537
    edited 2014-03-12 23:07
    Consider the realities... print heads do clog, and the heating elements do burn out. And I suspect that the clogging might have little to do with amount of printing you do. It just may be that the longer the printer sits idle, the more change the ink dries in the print head. The heat elements may burn up due to the accumulation of dried ink.

    I have yet to find any printer that I am happy with as they all charge what the market will bear for supplies. There was a time when ink was cheap, but the inkjet and laser printer changed all that. We all know that the makers practically give away the printers just to lock us into regularly buying the over-priced supplies.

    We are simply paying for printing on a 'per sheet' pricing model and all the key components are pro-rated to what the market will bear.

    I suppose you could visit garage sales and 2nd hand stores to seek out a replacement. But that is pretty much a gamble.

    BTW - Four years is a very long time for this sort of printer to give good service.
  • RDL2004RDL2004 Posts: 2,554
    edited 2014-03-12 23:20
    I have an HP Laserjet 4p that was bought in 1993 and still works. But yeah, four years is a long time for an inkjet type to keep working. I'd recommend to get a decent laser printer. You can get pretty nice ones these days, duplex printing, built in Ethernet, etc. If you really need color just buy a 30-40 dollar disposable one.
  • LoopyBytelooseLoopyByteloose Posts: 12,537
    edited 2014-03-12 23:33
    I switched to a Xerox-Fuji laser printer from inkjets.

    I pay out at less frequent intervals, but in larger amounts. I doubt that I am saving any money.

    I finally learned that I can use "Print to File" in Linux to create a pfd. So the printer tends to remain off line. But the printer still takes up quite a bit of space in a small office setting.

    ++++++++++++++++++++
    My feeling is that the printer is just an expense, the same as the telephone and personal transportation. These things may be necessary to make our daily lives work smoothly, but minimizing the expense is paramount.
  • GadgetmanGadgetman Posts: 2,436
    edited 2014-03-13 00:27
    Most probably the electronics in the head just up and died.

    Inkjets are also notoriously bad if they're left alone for more than a week.

    I tossed out my old Canon BJC4000 many years ago, and don't really miss it.
    (I have an old HP LJ2100 laser I salvaged at the office, and an Oki dot-matrix for all my home printing needs. The very rare colour print I do at the office)

    Planned obsolescence...
    On some HP printers, there's a plasticky 'transport belt' in a module across the toner cartridges.
    This has a limited number of 'passes' (8000 on some older models), and there a colour print may count as 4 passes...
    Others has a 'transfer drum' or similar that also has a fixed set of uses.
    But in most models, it's possible to overrule the setting, and tell the printer to keep on working. you will get a warning about possible loss of quality, though.
    (Generally, most 'low count' parts from HP has a very generous margin of error, so some can be run up to twice the page counts as listed. But by the end of that you start seeing degradation. )
    It's really meant to only be used to keep a printer running until a new part can be sourced.
  • Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi)Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi) Posts: 23,514
    edited 2014-03-13 00:59
    I gave up on inkjets years ago. They always clogged, and the cartridges "expired" before they were empty. Now, if I want color, I go to a local service bureau and let them deal with it. It's way cheaper, more productive, and less stressful

    My LaserJet 4MV (purchased in the '90's for $2700) recently died, and I replaced it with an inexpensive Brother networked laser printer. I could not be happier.

    -Phil
  • LoopyBytelooseLoopyByteloose Posts: 12,537
    edited 2014-03-13 07:13
    Some days I wish I had never gotten rid of the noisy daisy wheel printer. One could reink ribbons for themselves and they were built like military bunkers.

    But the real solution is to make a concerted effort to become paperless. SDcard and USB memory sticks can make this possible.
  • Bob Lawrence (VE1RLL)Bob Lawrence (VE1RLL) Posts: 1,720
    edited 2014-03-13 13:19


    CHECK CARTRIDGE U051 U052
    For instructions to install the Print Head. If the Print Head is already installed, remove the Print Head and reinstall it. If this error still remains, the Print Head may be damaged. Contact Canon Customer Center.




    Reseat the print head to correct print issues or clear an error.
    Instructions:
    remove the Print Head and reinstall it.


    It's worth a shot to remove it and re-seat, install again. While you have it off you can check to see if any connections need cleaning.



  • davejamesdavejames Posts: 4,047
    edited 2014-03-13 15:04
    It's worth a shot to remove it and re-seat, install again. While you have it off you can check to see if any connections need cleaning.

    Already done as noted in OP - no luck.

    It would appear, that if I want to keep this particular printer, it's time to order a new print head. :frown:
  • TubularTubular Posts: 4,703
    edited 2014-03-13 17:05
    Hi Dave

    I have an Canon MP560 which has been really good until 2 weeks ago. It printed a resistor calculation spreadsheet then died with a "B200" message. So all we need is a third person to confirm a planned obsolescence conspiracy theory.

    I have a second MP560 (believing in spares) but changing it over seems to involve more than just copying across the wifi settings (driver re-install)... however it appears to function normally. There are other lasers in the office but the inkjet sits beside by desk, prints quietly and reliably on its $1 cartridges

    We also have an HP A3 inkjet that sits in the corner, waiting for the 1983 vintage HP Pen Plotter to fail. Ironically its the HP printer, still on its original factory cartridges, that one day decided it had "non genuine cartridges installed" and we haven't bother with it since.
  • Buck RogersBuck Rogers Posts: 2,185
    edited 2014-03-13 17:46
    Tubular wrote: »
    Hi Dave

    I have an Canon MP560 which has been really good until 2 weeks ago. It printed a resistor calculation spreadsheet then died with a "B200" message. So all we need is a third person to confirm a planned obsolescence conspiracy theory.

    I have a second MP560 (believing in spares) but changing it over seems to involve more than just copying across the wifi settings (driver re-install)... however it appears to function normally. There are other lasers in the office but the inkjet sits beside by desk, prints quietly and reliably on its $1 cartridges

    We also have an HP A3 inkjet that sits in the corner, waiting for the 1983 vintage HP Pen Plotter to fail. Ironically its the HP printer, still on its original factory cartridges, that one day decided it had "non genuine cartridges installed" and we haven't bother with it since.

    I've been an Epson fan since the Dot Matrix days. I freely admit I did take a break from them for a while. Never did like that Xerox thingie it was a Windows only joker, and the HP one never did work. The Epson ones did. However their service and support line reminds me of the ones that are outsourced. Really crappy that.

    My current one, an Epson WF2540 did something like yours, and then after driving them out of their minds, (easy peasy!) a new one arrived. Oddly enough the first one refused to cooperate with my Linux system. Now? He even works wired. Which did not happen with the earlier one on XP. Now I have two Linux systems here, earlier and newer, and they work with it.

    As for your
    Tubular wrote: »
    So all we need is a third person to confirm a planned obsolescence conspiracy theory.
    I will see your theory and raise you your plotter. He's been avoiding it for the past several years.

    Dave are you current on your drivers?
  • Bob Lawrence (VE1RLL)Bob Lawrence (VE1RLL) Posts: 1,720
    edited 2014-03-13 18:22
    it's time to order a new print head.

    Unfortunately I don't see any other options at this point. Maybe you can find a new printer , same model, on sale at a local store for the same price as the print head.
  • LoopyBytelooseLoopyByteloose Posts: 12,537
    edited 2014-03-14 05:39
    The problem with 'planned obsolecense' whether real or imagined is that by including a microcontroller in a consumer product, it can be used to run diagnostics and shut out the user in a failure mode. Or it can simple run a timer or counter, and demand a service fee whenever an event is triggered.

    Eventually, this might result in a consumer protection agency (state or national level) having products disclose and register code, but we are not there yet. I do suspect that my Fuji-Xerox has a counter/timer event approach to replacement of at least some of the parts.. but I can't prove it. And in some cases, the counter/timer approach may even be the best, most valid approach.

    In sum, diagnosis and repair alternatives are less objective than they used to be.

    On the other hand, disposible products without any chance of repair do provide a channel for more profit for the manufacturer. They don't have to provide information and parts to small repair shops with all the related overhead. And you generally have no choice but to go to their in-house repair service and accept whatever they decide.
  • davejamesdavejames Posts: 4,047
    edited 2014-03-14 08:33
    Dave are you current on your drivers?

    Hi Buck - yes, always.
  • davejamesdavejames Posts: 4,047
    edited 2014-03-14 08:35
    Unfortunately I don't see any other options at this point.

    ...roger that.

    My dear wife purchased this at a really low price, so I guess I'm good for this level of investment to have the unit for another supposed 4 years. If she had paid full price at the time, I'd be looking at a new printer.
  • davejamesdavejames Posts: 4,047
    edited 2014-03-14 08:40
    Tubular wrote: »
    I have an Canon MP560 which has been really good until 2 weeks ago. It printed a resistor calculation spreadsheet then died with a "B200" message

    Tube - how old was the MP560?
  • Bob Lawrence (VE1RLL)Bob Lawrence (VE1RLL) Posts: 1,720
    edited 2014-03-14 11:50
    I'm good for this level of investment

    ebay is always worth a shot :)
  • GordonMcCombGordonMcComb Posts: 3,366
    edited 2014-03-14 12:10
    You don't repair these low-cost inkjet printers. It's never worth it. Always replace. The replacement for the 620 is under $100, and you get a new printer with a new warranty. If you don't want to buy new, you might get lucky with a local thrift shop and find a printer that takes the same cartridges as the 620. But odds are it's there because it has the same or some other problem.

    I'd say it's a stretch that any of these products are designed for planned obsolescence. What exactly do you expect for the $80-90 most cost online? They're sold slightly above cost in the hopes you'll make up for the difference in high priced ink cartridges. What you pay and the life expectancy is about right for something with tons of moving parts and a quarter cup of water (ink) inside.
  • RDL2004RDL2004 Posts: 2,554
    edited 2014-03-14 19:08
    At the risk of being repetitious, don't buy another inkjet. Personally, I don't care about color, and for laser printers I really like Brother. They don't make cameras, PCs, or much of anything besides stuff that prints (okay, a sewing machine here and there). You can find one with duplex printing (both sides) and Ethernet (plug it into your router) pretty cheap. Two thumbs up.

    If you think you can't live without color, add a cheap inkjet from walmart for $40 or so when the need arises. Other than envelopes and an occasional letter, you may be able to get by printing to a pdf files. Just don't forget to backup your data.
  • davejamesdavejames Posts: 4,047
    edited 2014-03-21 22:30
    ...well, I took an educated chance and purchased a replacement print head - to no avail; still have the original error.

    So not only am I out the $85 for the head, but $35 for fresh ink tanks.

    I'm junkin' the thing and will be on the hunt for actually two printers now as the wife's 10 year old HP ink jet just died.

    Good thing I have a money tree in the back yard! [/sarc]
  • Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi)Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi) Posts: 23,514
    edited 2014-03-21 22:42
    I spent almost $200 on parts before I decided my ancient $2700 LaserJet 4MV wasn't worth fixing anymore. 'Took it to Goodwill for recycling and bought a Brother laser printer. It's faster, makes better prints, and uses fewer consumables than the old HP. 'Best decision I ever made! ('Only feature it lacks is printing 11x17 paper. But it prints 8.5x11 on both sides, which is kinda the same, right? :) )

    -Phil
  • RDL2004RDL2004 Posts: 2,554
    edited 2014-03-21 22:57
    $85 + $35 = $120 !!!
    You could have almost paid for a Brother HL-2270DW

    27 ppm, USB 2.0, Wireless 802.11b/g, Ethernet 10/100BaseTX, duplex printing. Still no 11x17 though.
  • Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi)Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi) Posts: 23,514
    edited 2014-03-22 00:01
    I sprung for the Brother HL-5470DW. I love that printer! I works across my LAN, with Windows, OS/X, and Linux.

    -Phil
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