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Sugar tied to heart attacks

Too_Many_ToolsToo_Many_Tools Posts: 765
edited 2014-02-06 07:12 in General Discussion
FYI...

http://news.yahoo.com/sugar-tied-fatal-heart-woes-soda-39-culprit-212233101.html

LOL..looks like banning those super sized soda drinks was the right thing to do...

Having to pry that super sized Snickers bar from my cold lifeless hands as my program compiles...

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  • mklrobomklrobo Posts: 420
    edited 2014-02-04 03:35
    FYI...

    http://news.yahoo.com/sugar-tied-fatal-heart-woes-soda-39-culprit-212233101.html

    LOL..looks like banning those super sized soda drinks was the right thing to do...

    Having to pry that super sized Snickers bar from my cold lifeless hands as my program compiles...

    oils are not too helpfull either. The Amercian Parasite, Candita, is not helpful either...........
  • PropGuy2PropGuy2 Posts: 360
    edited 2014-02-04 13:18
    As one who survived a heart attack (5 years and counting) the numbers are not good. Most people (50%) don't survive a heart attack, of those that do survive 25% die within a month or so, another 25% within one year. I run 10 miles or bike 25 miles every day, and run marathons a few times a year. BTW - I am for the most part vegetarian, but I really don't diet because I eat 3000 plus calories a day: 2000 regular calories, plus 125cal times 10 miles = 1250 calories
  • NWCCTVNWCCTV Posts: 3,629
    edited 2014-02-04 15:22
    I run 10 miles or bike 25 miles every day, and run marathons a few times a year. BTW - I am for the most part vegetarian, but I really don't diet because I eat 3000 plus calories a day: 2000 regular calories, plus 125cal times 10 miles = 1250 calories
    Is this before or after your attack?
  • ercoerco Posts: 20,256
    edited 2014-02-04 19:09
    @PropGuy2: Now hold it right there, you're at 26 posts, just like 26 miles in a marathon. Nice round number, and yeah, I run 'em too; I know that last 0.2 mile can be the hardest.

    I run 5 and bike 23 most days. A good routine to get 1000 and 5000 miles for the year. And I eat everything that doesn't move. Keep moving.
  • evanhevanh Posts: 15,935
    edited 2014-02-05 00:51
    NWCCTV wrote: »
    Is this before or after your attack?

    Both I'd think. He had a very strong heart to begin with. That's why he's not in the majority categories he listed.

    Nagging stress is the big killer. I'm at a loss why this isn't well publicized. There's no money in it I guess.


    As for the study. Better take it with a huge bag of sugar. It's a really vague source of data! - "Yang and colleagues analyzed national health surveys between 1988 and 2010 that included questions about people's diets. The authors used national death data to calculate risks of dying during 15 years of follow-up."

    The rest of the article is just old regurgitated dubious claims of similar ilk.

    The only sense I can make of such blatant, but difficult to deny, claims like that is it must be sponsored studies, with a pre-specified inclination or used out of context, to coax people into spending money. There is far too many similar such statistical "studies" done on a hundred varying cancer types, heart disease, alzheimer's, sex drive ...

    Fattest cherries are the lifelong aliments/fears I guess. Obviously, there is plenty of people falling for it. It's like the incessant infomercials on late-night tele. Someone must be buying that rubbish.
  • PropGuy2PropGuy2 Posts: 360
    edited 2014-02-05 07:18
    Yes, I ran and exercised before and after my heart attack. And yes, it does make a big difference in your outcome. It would have been nearly impossible to make as quick of recovery if I was not already in shape. So in my running community, we acknowledge that we are all human, but in the mean time we going to do the best with what we have, for as long as possible. Some day we will not be able to run, but today is not that day.
    As my doctor said, YOU are responsible for your health - not the doctor, not the hospital, not the insurance company, and certainly not the government. You can start today. Eat one less cookie, one less coke, one less cigarette. Add one more step every day, one more sit up, one more of what ever you like to do.
  • LoopyBytelooseLoopyByteloose Posts: 12,537
    edited 2014-02-05 07:58
    Sugar is not a food group, neither is beer or pizza. At some point in the aging process, one's metabolism slows and one requires less calories. Rather than put on unwanted pounds, just stop all the sugar you can.. get some just from fresh fruit and lactose in milk. No only will you live a bit better, you may not have to run 10 miles a day to keep the weight down and your dentist will not look at you as a personal cash cow.

    Not so sure about the tie in with heart attacks... Sure, doughnuts might be significant source of heart attacks, but it just may be the deep fat fried side of it that is clogging your arteries. So, maybe it is time to just say no to anything boiled in oil as well. I strongly suspect that you can abstain from sugar entirely and have a significant cardiovascular event by a daily helping of McDonald french fries.

    Of course some might blame it all on the salt, but 70% of the population has no problem with salt in their diets. So you don't have to be a martyr and abstain from salt unless it is an obvious hazard.

    Last year (at 66 years of age) my weight started to creep above 200 pounds. So I eliminated all the sugar with exceptions as above and am down into the 180 pounds. I also began to limit bread, pasta and other starches. I am sincerely not too concerned about a heart attack as sudden demise is a lot more appealing to me than becoming a diabetic and having to suffer a long slow degenerative demise.

    There are a lot worse ways to go that a heart attack.

    If you want to binge, eat a bunch of fresh carrots. Between all that chewing and bulk, it is filling. And it is certainly a lot healthier than a box of Oreos or whatever.

    At 50, I managed to run a mile in under 6 minutes. Now at 67, the knees are no good; so I just walk the dog about three times a day. Walking.. especially fast walking is a reasonable form of daily cardio/aerobic workout if you do it properly. Injury-free exercise is just as important as the exercise.

    I have read studies that a lot of the 50ish men that participate sucessfully in Ironman events are dead within 3 years. It seems you can overdo the exercise as much as you can overdo the sugar.
  • xanatosxanatos Posts: 1,120
    edited 2014-02-05 08:31
    My wife is an IIN certified nutritional counselor, among other things related. Since I helped her with a lot of the material, I also got quite a raft of information about dietary, nutritional and biochemical functions. One of the things about sugar is that it is pro-inflammatory and glucose, specifically, has an effect on arterial walls roughly akin to sandblasting over time with little sharp shards of glass... it apparently creates microscarring, which in turn creates a call for cholesterol to repair the damaged arterial wall. Over time, it builds up.

    I'm pretty well convinced that if people just stopped consuming all the stuff with added sugar in it - (which is unfortunately nearly everything now) - but especially sugary beverages like soda, candy, etc., along with all the processed white-flour based stuff (converts almost immediately into sugar in the body), just those two things alone would nearly eliminate the epidemic of diabetes we're seeing in this country. But people seem to want to do whatever and demand a pill so they can keep on doing it without suffering the ill effects, so fat chance. No pun intended...
  • ercoerco Posts: 20,256
    edited 2014-02-05 09:34
    Of course everything (including life) is tied to heart attacks. I view every new proclamation with skepticism, because next week, a different study will refute it. Eggs are out one year and in the next. Same with aspirin and most things. Certainly less (processed) sugar is better and an apple is better for you. Funny how many billion-dollar studies get funded to arrive at some fairly obvious conclusions.

    Oops, gotta go. It's almost time for my lunchtime run. Time to fuel up with a pop tart, coke and some Advil!
  • LoopyBytelooseLoopyByteloose Posts: 12,537
    edited 2014-02-05 10:39
    Well, processed sugar is a big offender, but you can easily work yourself into an early grave at McD's with Zero Cola and no ketchup.

    Packaged convenience foods of all sorts are a hazard. And of course, smoking has a big tie in to heart disease. Just consider that if you smoke extremely low tar and nicotine cigarettes, you are providing a significant daily dose of carbon monoxide poisoning. You may actually live longer smoking non-filtered Camels as you get enough nicotine with less cigarettes.

    When I first arrive in Kaohsiung in 1994, I began to have cardio distress... mostly in the late afternoon and early evening --- when the roads were brim full of motor scooters and the CO index was off the charts. Taiwan has substantially cleaned up the air quality since those bad old days by forcing people to get newer, cleaner transportation. And next, TaiChung is going to become the first all electric motor scooter city in Taiwan by banning all others.

    In my early years in Taiwan, I had three cardio events - one in a sauna, another in a change room at a swimming pool, and the third while waiting 3 hours to see a heart doctor.(I should have gone straight to the ER, but wasn't thinking clearly).

    Change of diet helps, so does a regular course of aerobic exercise. But in my case, I went the non-standard route of Chinese herb medicine self treatment as well. After about 4 or 5 years of boiling up a dozen or so Chinese herbs (self prescribed, but originally based on what Chinese herbalist recommended), I went in for angioplasty.. the usual first heart surgery. That is when they stretch your arteries and insert stents.

    The cardiologist got all the way into the heart, and injected the radioactive dye to locate the blocked arteries within the heart (you get to watch the X-ray on a monitor, while they do this) and couldn't find anything that required work.

    So I went home without any angioplasty or stents. And I am still alive and in pretty good shape.

    So it seems a combination of 5 miles of fast walking, 3 times a week and Chinese herbs cleared up my condition. I continued with sugar in moderation until about a year ago when I didn't like my weight gain.

    I know what Western doctors would say to all this. My dad and grandfather were MDs. But here I am at 66 and pretty well off. My dad died at 67 and spent the last 5 or so years in poor shape just because he ate anything he liked and smoked tobacco (Carlton - low tar and nicotine) until he got emphysema.

    You don't need a lot of science to figure out that if the food your are eating has a ton of advertising attached and is pre-packaged in a big factory; it just isn't going to help you keep trim and healthy.

    My heart problems were directly due to a love of doughnuts, butter, french fries, pizza, and apple turnovers. And yes, I smoked for a long period of time, drank beer like I owned Budweiser, and so on... until it all just got to be too much.

    Remarkably, Taiwanese food is generally a lot saner than what Americans love to eat... smaller portions, and more fresh ingredients.

    Doctors do run from fad to fad in the process of helping some. But they don't know everything and patients often as not don't take directions as rigorously as the doctor desires. So treatments, science, and results are rather muddled.

    I took a course of Chinese herbal medicine that is usually prescribed for stroke patients -- mostly one herb to thin the blood, another to clean the arteries, and a set of tonic herbs to strengthening the vital organs, improve the quality of the blood, and to boost chi. Oh, and for hypertension due to liver fire, 10 grams of chopped earthworms.
  • Too_Many_ToolsToo_Many_Tools Posts: 765
    edited 2014-02-05 18:52
    evanh wrote: »
    Both I'd think. He had a very strong heart to begin with. That's why he's not in the majority categories he listed.

    Nagging stress is the big killer. I'm at a loss why this isn't well publicized. There's no money in it I guess.


    As for the study. Better take it with a huge bag of sugar. It's a really vague source of data! - "Yang and colleagues analyzed national health surveys between 1988 and 2010 that included questions about people's diets. The authors used national death data to calculate risks of dying during 15 years of follow-up."

    The rest of the article is just old regurgitated dubious claims of similar ilk.

    The only sense I can make of such blatant, but difficult to deny, claims like that is it must be sponsored studies, with a pre-specified inclination or used out of context, to coax people into spending money. There is far too many similar such statistical "studies" done on a hundred varying cancer types, heart disease, alzheimer's, sex drive ...

    Fattest cherries are the lifelong aliments/fears I guess. Obviously, there is plenty of people falling for it. It's like the incessant infomercials on late-night tele. Someone must be buying that rubbish.

    I agree to remember it is a study...but this is the way much of the work is done these days..one can't run controlled studies on people..never could, never will..

    The importance of it is that there IS a connection.

    If further studies continue to show the connection...well where there is smoke, there is fire.

    Ther are other studies that show the connection between diabetes and consumed excess sugar.

    And of course the connection between excess calories and obesity.

    I posted the topic because programming is an activity of reduced calorie burning and extra calorie consumption....i.e.all the cursing I do at the complier will not burn off those calories of the Cheetos I consumed coding the program that won't compile. ;<)
  • LoopyBytelooseLoopyByteloose Posts: 12,537
    edited 2014-02-06 07:12
    My dear old grandfather, the Doctor, always said, "Just about everyone in the graveyard had the right of way."

    Either one learns to live moderately or the exit suddenly. All the science, medicine, and research in the world will not make you live longer if you refuse to observe what your body is trying to tell you.

    The primary thing about Western medicine is that a child that has a healthy childhood will likely live longer and suffer less than one that does not. Getting rid of polio, mumps, measles, and such were very helpful. But the commercial activity that offers 'living the good life' is a real mortal hazard as kids go through their 20s and suddenly want to try it all. Extreme sports are another big hazard.

    It is quite hard to sort out who is selling health and who has real knowledge of how to maintain health. Often it comes only after your old enough to have done some very stupid things.
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