As if being located in CA wasn't enough of a challenge...
Oldbitcollector (Jeff)
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Teaching code without a license?? Oh no you don't.. (Checks calendar... not April...)
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140130/11104326050/apparently-you-cant-teach-someone-to-code-california-without-license.shtml
Un 'freak'n believeable. (Hey Parallax. The property values in Ohio are still pretty good here. Friendly to manufacturing here as well..)
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20140130/11104326050/apparently-you-cant-teach-someone-to-code-california-without-license.shtml
Un 'freak'n believeable. (Hey Parallax. The property values in Ohio are still pretty good here. Friendly to manufacturing here as well..)
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(Kalifornia - where the inmates run the asylum!)
Education is important, but there is only so much interference that can be tolerated.
I like this other Einstein curiosity quote: "It is a miracle that curiosity survives formal education."
For me in addtion to business license, registered engineer license, Resale license, FCC license, driver's license
This is "code" for extorting money from those they can.
Socialists do not have the capacity to understand the difference between equal opportunities (which we have) and equal outcomes (which no society has had or ever will have).
What I am pretty certain of is this: with the increasing dominance of code-based technology all around us, controlling everything from our phones to the electric grid, it's only a matter of time before anyone who KNOWS how to code - will be facing some kind of scrutiny. The king will want to know who has the keys to the kingdom... and if they should or not.
Teachers' unions exist becuase of pervasive ongoing pressures to dismantle public education. NCLB is a direct attempt -- much like so-called TRAP efforts to eliminate access to $CONTROVERSIAL_MEDICAL_PROCEDURE not by outright outlawing things but by over-regulating them to the point where practice is impossible. Under NCLB if un-meetable goals are not met public institutions are gutted to be replaced with free-market solutions that everyone assumes will be better because, hey free market capitalism and all that jazz. They forget the part where science class teaches humans and dinosaurs walking together while arks are built.
The OP topic is, however, indeed a simple power and fee grab. My father was a teacher and I'm quite sure the teachers have nothing to do with this. But the same folks who want all schools to be profit centers for themselves (and if you can't afford 'em too bad) also want to go the next step and have a monopoly so if you can't afford to pay them to teach your kids to read, you can't get anyone else to do it either. Because nothing says "free market" like the State pounding your competition to dust for you.
How about making your point without anti-religious comments?
Those kind of comments do not belong here.
Chris Wardell
The science comment in addition to the "$CONTROVERSIAL_MEDICAL_PROCEDURE" comment sure seem to be on shaky ground as far as the forum guidelines are concerned.
Making any argument against those statements would certainly be moderated as discussing religion.
Chris Wardell
The goal of some of the smaller bootcamps is single-skill learning, such as how to solder. There are no state approval processes for such learning, so there's nothing to license. I don't think the state has any interest in these.
For these smaller venues, just don't call the bootcamp events "educational." There should be a lot of other phases that can convey the purpose of the event without invoking regulatory intervention. For example, "workshop." You would likewise avoid the words "institution," "school," "college," and others that might give the impression the group is formally accredited.
That might be the key. If they make any claims of helping you get a job that would be a big issue as well.
C.W.
-Phil
I think you meant to say "Charging tuition for a formalized educational coding program without a license??" While the efforts of the BPPE may seem to be jaded by that article, you need to check out the actual verbiage and the places named. For example, Hackbright charges $15k for a 12 week course in programming. That's the issue. The definition of the entities they are attempting to govern do not govern Parallax's classes or events in any way. They are going after places that charge tuition for their services, but escape any regulation. That's a valid concern if they end up clouding what "certification" might mean for such programming skills by proper accredited institutions. However, in most cases, these coding places are not handing out certifications that are meant to be equals to those of accredited institutions. That is why I think the BPPE is a worthless effort and only going to hurt people trying to learn.
Something similar that I don't like are places that have programs with names that are mis-leading like Masters of something based upon Professional Practice. In the past year, I had applicants with "Masters in Engineering" listed on their resume' apply for an entry level Engineering Position. When I did research on the schools they listed, they were online programs with weak course syllabus', yet very expensive. Essentially, and in my opinion, these people paid a legal accredited college for a title to add to their resume'. (and paid quite a bit too) Not one made it past my phone interview, so that's my reasoning to be so biased.
About the only thing that might protect a company such as Parallax is to promptly get appointed to a seat of whatever examining board that they create for computer coders.
Of course, that means you have to play 'their game' and be in good stead with the cronies in power, go to all the boring meetings, and listen to all the whacko proposals.. and sometimes vote for things you dislike because you want other to vote for things important to you.
ummm.. in California, repair of a toaster would require a licensed electrician (anything over about 40 volts). And don't forget your state sales tax reports, and registered business name.
It's really hard to beat the weather except during drought times. I don't care for the property taxes mainly because property values are very high, but at about %1 here beats %3 in parts of Texas or Florida.
I don't really want to retire here in California, but may have no choice because my family thinks this is the greatest place on earth.
BTW, No Child Left Behind was signed by our buddy dubya
But, they also do have a lot of industrial petty bureaucrats that push out small businesses and protect their own turn (beauty colleges, tax preparer schools, acupuncture schools, and so on).
I always found it interesting that the politicians that were too corrupt to get re-elected in San Francisco, went to Sacramento to continue their careers (ex-mayor Wille Brown is the poster child of this process).
California was a great place when I was a kid, but now that it has 60 million or so in population, and mostly new comers ... it has just become a great destination state for Phi Beta Kappa lawyers and accountants.
If you didn't rent a nice place in San Francisco just stay put for the rest of your life, that city is too expensive for the average person to enjoy. The Bay Area has gotten over grown. Los Angles is caught up in the Hollywood la-la. And the rest of the state is pretty much rural and tries to carry on independently (like where Parallax is).
Even though I was born there, I doubt if I will ever return. There are better places to be a newcomer in the USA - cheaper housing, lower cost of living, more cordial neighbors. Sometimes too much gets melted in the 'Great American Cultural Melting Pot' and everyone seems to have lost their way.
Good weather isn't everything. If it was, we would all have moved to Hawaii.
That's why we value diversity! There are probably people living in SoCal that wouldn't be caught in Oregon or even lovely Medina!
Remember, opinions are like, uhm, ....elbows, yeah, that's it!! 'Cuz everybody has one or two! :0)
I think it's great where anyone wants to live as long as it isn't near me!
Moving as soon as I get a chance
You would hope so. Appliance repair is a good example of why you want licensing. You don't need a license to fix your own, because you assume all the risk, but if you pay someone to do it, it's nice to know they have the minimal training to know what they're doing.
I'm sure there are other areas where licensing requirements go too far, but this isn't one of them.
The problem with many of these "news" sites is that the reportage is often poor -- badly informed, biased, or both. The state is clamping down on unlicensed schools, not teaching in general, and from appearances not the kind of building-block teaching Parallax does as part of their educational activities. If Parallax were to create Parallax University -- affectionately known as P.U. -- and offer a CS curriculum and placement programs like Hack Reactor, then that would change things.
http://www.bear.ca.gov/licensing_info/register_faqs.shtml
Isn't it great that a state has taken such a bold stand to make sure consumers are getting quality service! Wait, what's that on the page? So it's just a tax. This is my shocked and disappointed face.
And so, I rest my case. California's Department of Consumer Affairs has a long sordid history. It seems mostly to collect fees and create another industry exams, certifications, and continuing eduction to keep certification.
The end result is nobody wants to repair a toaster... they just tell you to buy a new one.