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pushing and pulling crystal's frequency

BasherBasher Posts: 25
edited 2014-01-26 17:07 in Propeller 1
I remember reading a post that said it was possible to adjust the frequency of the xtal crystal in either direction by using a variable inductor or a variable capacitor, but I've not been able to find it again.

What sort of adjustment would be possible with this kind of circuit?
Could a 14Mhz crystal be pulled up to 14.1876Mhz and still remain stable?

Is it a try it and see sort of thing or are there calculations? (I know there are always calculations. What I mean is are there calculations I would be able to make sense of. No calculus or hard sums :innocent: )

Would it be possible to set up a circuit to switch the inductor/capacitor in and out, either via a propeller pin or a jumper/dip switch on the PCB.

I've tried searching the web but just keep turning up stuff on PLL's

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  • jmgjmg Posts: 15,173
    edited 2014-01-26 16:10
    Basher wrote: »
    Could a 14Mhz crystal be pulled up to 14.1876Mhz and still remain stable?

    No, that is a whopping 1.34% movement, which is way too far for a crystal.

    Tens of ppm, or in some cases towards 100ppm is all you can practically expect from a high Q crystal.
    Ceramic resonators can pull further, but even there 1.34% is a long way.
    Basher wrote: »
    Is it a try it and see sort of thing or are there calculations? (I know there are always calculations. What I mean is are there calculations I would be able to make sense of. No calculus or hard sums :innocent: )

    It is mostly a try it and see, and you can derive figures of ppm/pF, which will be different on each side of the crystal amplifier.


    If you want your own frequency, Search Digikey for '504 oscillator'. and look for SI5351A-B-GT
    - both allow you to generate almost any frequency (to some ppb error)
  • BasherBasher Posts: 25
    edited 2014-01-26 16:34
    Thanks. I kind of thought that it was just for fine tuning.
    I was fooled by the decimal point, anything to the right is insignificant :smile:

    The SI5351 looks interesting. Am I right in thinking that if I used something like this to clock the propeller at 14Mhz I wouldn't be able to use the propeller's xtal x8 setting to multiply the system clk?
  • jmgjmg Posts: 15,173
    edited 2014-01-26 17:07
    Basher wrote: »
    Thanks. I kind of thought that it was just for fine tuning.
    I was fooled by the decimal point, anything to the right is insignificant :smile:

    The SI5351 looks interesting. Am I right in thinking that if I used something like this to clock the propeller at 14Mhz I wouldn't be able to use the propeller's xtal x8 setting to multiply the system clk?

    The Prop data says thi s
    The PLL internally multiplies the XIN pin frequency by 16. ... The PLL’s internal frequency must be kept within 64 MHz to 128 MHz – this translates to an XIN frequency range of 4 MHz to 8 MHz.

    So that fixed x16, locks the Crystal in to be within 4..8MHz, to stay within spec.

    The Prop does have a DC to 80 MHz Input mode, and there, you can clock directly from the SI5351A-B-GT
    (or even try overclock up to 160MHz )
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