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Aircraft Carrier Submarine

ercoerco Posts: 20,256
edited 2014-03-07 19:46 in General Discussion
Sort of... submarine launches drone: http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2013/12/22/first-flight-of-americas-underwater-aircraft-carri.aspx#.Urj_6Dx3teM

Still an order of magnitude LESS cool than the uber-beautiful 1931-35 Navy zeppelins Akron & Macon, flying aircraft carriers in their own right. (Sadly, both ended up as submarines after crashing into the Atlantic and Pacific, respectively.) Start watching at 1:00:
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  • Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi)Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi) Posts: 23,514
    edited 2013-12-23 20:10
    How does the pilot exit the plane in order to enter the dirigible's casino and cocktail lounge -- and maybe to use the restroom?

    -Phil
  • ercoerco Posts: 20,256
    edited 2013-12-23 21:04
    PhiPi, I bet you're one of the few forumistas who are aware that there WAS a smoking room on the hydrogen-filled Hindenburg. More useful than a screen door on a submarine...

    http://www.airships.net/hindenburg-smoking-room
  • skylightskylight Posts: 1,915
    edited 2013-12-24 06:26
    That tune from the video could be a rival to Cliff's Congratulations for song of the year!
    PhiPi, I bet you're one of the few forumistas who are aware that there WAS a smoking room on the hydrogen-filled Hindenburg.
    Holy Smoke!! and people question why we have health and safety these days.
  • ajwardajward Posts: 1,130
    edited 2013-12-24 07:19
    Yeah and we didn't give up on the idea... The XF-85 Goblin:
  • LoopyBytelooseLoopyByteloose Posts: 12,537
    edited 2013-12-24 07:44
    erco wrote: »
    PhiPi, I bet you're one of the few forumistas who are aware that there WAS a smoking room on the hydrogen-filled Hindenburg. More useful than a screen door on a submarine...

    http://www.airships.net/hindenburg-smoking-room

    I suppose that if the Smoking Room was below the lift balloons, any leakage would drift up and away safely.

    Landing an airplane on a hook below a blimp has always seemed a bit amusing to me. And the fact that the pilot has to climb out and down to get into the airplane is rather dramtic. Pilots really had a lot of fun in their workplace.
  • ercoerco Posts: 20,256
    edited 2013-12-24 09:18
    That's ZEPPELIN, not blimp, good sir! :)
  • skylightskylight Posts: 1,915
    edited 2013-12-24 12:40
    I think the word is dirigible kind sir:smile:
  • ercoerco Posts: 20,256
    edited 2013-12-24 13:52
    @skylight: Now don't get me started on the UK's airship programme featuring the ill-fated R-101... :)

    The USS Akron & Macon were built by the Goodyear-Zeppelin corporation, so they may correctly be called either airships, dirigibles, or zeppelins. Just not blimps. :)
  • Duane DegnDuane Degn Posts: 10,588
    edited 2013-12-24 14:00
    Watching those airplanes "landing" and being lifted into the dirigible has got to be one of the coolest sights ever.

    Years ago, Nova (PPS) did a show on blimps and dirigibles. The show had a segment on the airborne carriers. Seeing the Nova video was the first I had known of these dirigible aircraft carriers.

    While "landing" on the dirigible looks like a challenge, I bet it's not as nerve racking as landing on a water based carrier. The two aircraft look like they have matching airspeeds when the connect together.

    You've just got to love those Zeppelins. Beautiful ships.

    IIRC Zeppelin was a dirigible manufacturer. I think Zeppelin and dirigible are often used interchangeably since there weren't many dirigibles made that weren't made by Zeppelin.

    Someday it will be Degn and dirigible which will be used interchangeably (once I get my fleet of dirigibles into the air).

    I noticed a prominent poster of a Zeppelin displayed in erco's robot room.

    Edit: I hadn't seen erco's post just previous to this one when writing this post. Blimps don't have a rigid airframe. They require the envelope to be pressurized to hold their shape. IMO, blimps don't look nearly as cool as dirigibles.
  • Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi)Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi) Posts: 23,514
    edited 2013-12-24 19:05
    Duane Degn wrote:
    Someday it will be Degn and dirigible which will be used interchangeably (once I get my fleet of dirigibles into the air).
    MIght Duane Degn deign to design dirigibles? Or is this just a benign campaign to reign as the dirigible paradigm? :)

    -Phil
  • ercoerco Posts: 20,256
    edited 2013-12-24 20:19
    Ain't nuttin' cooler than airships. I am fortunate to live ~ 8 miles from the Goodyear blimp field in Carson, CA, and (up until a year ago) the Moffett Field Zeppelin NT docked in Long Beach (15 miles away) when it visited LA, several dozen times. And the Metlife blimp is around here too, so I see airships overhead regularly. I was a zeppelin freak from 1972 (when the Michael York movie "Zeppelin" came out) and I have some good airship & zeppelin stories. Must be a different forum for those somewhere.
  • Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi)Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi) Posts: 23,514
    edited 2013-12-24 20:56
    erco wrote:
    ... I have some good airship & zeppelin stories. Must be a different forum for those somewhere.
    There's no better place than here, or time like the present! Do tell! :)

    -Phil
  • LawsonLawson Posts: 870
    edited 2013-12-24 21:45
    I'd love to see someone build a modern solar powered dirigible. Using "space" cells, it should be as fast as the old ships during the day. Or at slower speeds, have enough spare power to charge batteries for night flying. With a helli-pad on top or GPS station keeping and a cable lift off the bottom, it wouldn't ever have to land either. (modern weather forecasts would also be very helpful.)

    It'd be great for lifting heavy or bulky objects. It'd also be cool to go on a cruse over the amazon rain forest. Too bad dirigible's don't work well small, Having to build the first 'ship at full scale before earning revenue is too scary for most investors. (and too rich for most eccentric dreamers)

    Marty
  • ercoerco Posts: 20,256
    edited 2013-12-24 22:04
    And this radical new airship is in Tustin, only 40 miles from me. Haven't seen it yet, but I will.

    http://aeroscraft.com/
  • Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi)Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi) Posts: 23,514
    edited 2013-12-24 22:22
    What's with the "elephant's foot" landing pads? 'Seems logical, but I've never seen anything like that before.

    -Phil
  • Duane DegnDuane Degn Posts: 10,588
    edited 2013-12-24 23:45
    erco wrote: »
    I have some good airship & zeppelin stories.

    I seem to recall you built a RC Zeppelin and gave it to some big wig in the Zeppelin company? Weren't you cycling across Europe at the time? I often wondered how one cycled across Europe with a Zeppelin in tow.

    One of my back burner projects if to make a RC dirigible.
  • ercoerco Posts: 20,256
    edited 2013-12-25 01:34
    Excellent recall on all counts, Duane! That's one of my favorite stories. I made & gave an RC model to Zeppelin of their new NT airship. I'll have to find & scan some pics & post.

    I got to fly in the local Goodyear blimp and pilot it briefly (it's in my logbook!). I've been in most of the existing giant empty zeppelin hangars across the US, UK, and Germany.

    Another favorite story is when I got to go out on the research ship with a huge underwater ROV from the Monterey Bay Aquarium Research Institute, because I struck up a friendship with ROV pilot Chris Grech who helped find the wreckage of the Macon off Point Sur, California. The most excellent video below (part 3 of 3) shows Chris and tells some of his story and shows some amazing underwater shots of zeppelin and airplane wreckage 1400 feet underwater.
  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    edited 2013-12-25 03:26
    Phil,
    What's with the "elephant's foot" landing pads? 'Seems logical, but I've never seen anything like that before.

    I had never seen that before either. "Cool", I thought, "it's a hovercraft blimp." but it turns out that those hover pads can reverse their thrust and act as suckers that hold the ship down to the ground. So it can operate where there is no mast or other ground facilities.
  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    edited 2013-12-25 03:29
    erco,

    I get "This video is not available in your country" WTF?
  • LoopyBytelooseLoopyByteloose Posts: 12,537
    edited 2013-12-25 08:26
    erco wrote: »
    @skylight: Now don't get me started on the UK's airship programme featuring the ill-fated R-101... :)

    The USS Akron & Macon were built by the Goodyear-Zeppelin corporation, so they may correctly be called either airships, dirigibles, or zeppelins. Just not blimps. :)

    Hmmm. My dear old departed dad would always point out the Goodyear blimp flying by at a sporting event. People generally accept blimp. Why not blimp?

    And Erco says he actually flew in a Goodyear blimp. So...........?
  • ercoerco Posts: 20,256
    edited 2013-12-25 08:55
    @Loopy: Most modern airships are blimps and have just a big, lightly pressurized envelope with no internal structure. Zeppelins have an internal structure/skeleton with multiple internal helium cells. Duralumin was used in the 1930's, and the new Zeppelin NT uses carbon fiber.

    @Heater: Lockheed also used those big "elephant pads" on their recent P791 airship:
  • tonyp12tonyp12 Posts: 1,951
    edited 2013-12-25 10:54
    I thought the headline was referring to the Japanese submarines that could hold 3 airplanes.
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    Original plan was to go around south America and attack NY, as planes could not return to the submarine for landing it was a one way trip for the pilots.
    The plans changed to attack Panama Canal instead but half way there the war was over.
  • GordonMcCombGordonMcComb Posts: 3,366
    edited 2013-12-25 14:54
    erco wrote: »
    I am fortunate to live ~ 8 miles from the Goodyear blimp field in Carson, CA,

    Then you're also nearby the real fire station they used for Station 51 in the the 70s TV show Emergency!, one of Jack Webb's productions. My understanding is that iif you ask nicely, being ultra cool fire fighters, they'll give you a tour. In real life it's Station 127. Gage and DeSoto are long retired, though.

    Address is 2049 223rd St, if you care to visit. Take pictures. Don't tell them you play with flame throwers.

    -- Gordon
  • localrogerlocalroger Posts: 3,451
    edited 2013-12-25 15:03
    tonyp12 wrote: »
    I thought the headline was referring to the Japanese submarines that could hold 3 airplanes.

    There was a recent story about the Japanese aircraft carrier subs -- seems one of them was scuttled to prevent the Russians from getting hold of it, and recently discovered on the bottom of the Pacific near Hawai'i in 2300 feet of water...

    http://japandailypress.com/sunken-world-war-ii-japanese-aircraft-carrier-sub-found-off-hawaii-0340405/
  • localrogerlocalroger Posts: 3,451
    edited 2013-12-25 17:49
    Thanks tonyp12, that video is AWESOME.
  • ercoerco Posts: 20,256
    edited 2013-12-25 19:45
    Address is 2049 223rd St, if you care to visit. Take pictures. Don't tell them you play with flame throwers.

    -- Gordon

    Right you are, Gordon! Pretty cool. I will check it out.

    http://www.johnweeks.com/tour/emergency/index.html

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/15218401@N04/1645471702
  • ercoerco Posts: 20,256
    edited 2014-03-03 09:34
    The latest starry-eyed airship proposal:

    Now the giant aircraft is being brought back to life by a British company which plans to build hundreds of the environmentally friendly craft for passengers and cargo.

    http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-26372277

    The video is well done and worth watching.
  • User NameUser Name Posts: 1,451
    edited 2014-03-03 10:20
    I'm all about unusual spaces, which is probably what fueled my Swiss Family Robinson need for five concurrent residences across two States. Anyway, the idea of a small office just off the hangar deck of the USS Macon has an amazingly powerful appeal. :)
  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    edited 2014-03-03 12:09
    There is something vaguely obscene about the shapes on that ship.

    I though the world was in danger of running out of helium soon.
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