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Code.org wants thousands of new coders...but not a word about their compensation

Too_Many_ToolsToo_Many_Tools Posts: 765
edited 2013-12-13 16:13 in General Discussion
If you have been watching you will have noticed that Code.org effort is pushing for their need for tens of thousands of additional coders in the United States for future needs.

What they are strangely quiet about is what their future compensation will be.

http://venturebeat.com/2013/11/09/how-code-org-is-extending-computer-science-beyond-the-lucky-few/

FWIW...there used to be significant numbers of quality programmers in the United States...until those coding jobs were offshored.

Then we had phase of the thousands of H1-B visas and the importation of foreign coding talent.

Now as wages rise in Asia and with it those who code for their own companies in Asia staying there, American companies are now finding that they are coming up short for programming talent. Many project deliveries now are constrained by when the software will be done...costing companies millions if not billions of dollars.

So will American companies pay programming talent what it is really worth?

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  • kwinnkwinn Posts: 8,697
    edited 2013-12-12 20:00
    Too_Many_Tools wrote: »
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    So will American companies pay programming talent what it is really worth?

    If they want to attract talented coders do they really have a choice?

    The sad fact is most of the management at large companies suffer from such short sightedness that they will probably need to loose those billions before they wake up to the facts.
  • LoopyBytelooseLoopyByteloose Posts: 12,537
    edited 2013-12-13 01:45
    Anyone that ever got a Stanford MBA (or other top US MBA) has been taught to pay as little as possible for all and everything. You add to the equation that huge temporary agencies such as Adia allow employer's to avoid being in trouble with labor laws that are intended to protect employees that are full-time, and you top it all off with companies refusing to offer anything but independent contractor status to programs... and what you get is what you now have.

    We have gone from the good old days when IBM required every employee to have a university degree and was assure a job for life; to the opposite extreme. Someone in the business schools seemed to forget that good customers are people that have stable incomes.

    I suppose you can move abroad if the US job market is hostle to your career. I did and am happy that I did so. but I must admit that even that solution has disappeared pver the past few decades. I suggest you start your own temp agency and prosper.

    Put your programming skills to work in tracking a few thousand temp employees and compliance with all the state and local employment requirements. Even the IRS is about 75% temporary employees, and the US military has out-sourced to 'private contractors'.
  • kwinnkwinn Posts: 8,697
    edited 2013-12-13 16:03
    Loopy Byteloose wrote: »
    Anyone that ever got a Stanford MBA (or other top US MBA) has been taught to pay as little as possible for all and everything. You add to the equation that huge temporary agencies such as Adia allow employer's to avoid being in trouble with labor laws that are intended to protect employees that are full-time, and you top it all off with companies refusing to offer anything but independent contractor status to programs... and what you get is what you now have.

    We have gone from the good old days when IBM required every employee to have a university degree and was assure a job for life; to the opposite extreme. Someone in the business schools seemed to forget that good customers are people that have stable incomes.

    I suppose you can move abroad if the US job market is hostle to your career. I did and am happy that I did so. but I must admit that even that solution has disappeared pver the past few decades. I suggest you start your own temp agency and prosper.

    Put your programming skills to work in tracking a few thousand temp employees and compliance with all the state and local employment requirements. Even the IRS is about 75% temporary employees, and the US military has out-sourced to 'private contractors'.

    So true and so sad. And then they wonder why the economy is going to he** in a handbasket. Mind you, the banks are even worse. They are outsourcing installation and service to third parties that pay their employees peanuts and wondering why credit/debit card theft is costing billions of dollars.
  • jazzedjazzed Posts: 11,803
    edited 2013-12-13 16:10
    Well there is some good news for the US: http://www.schwab.com/public/schwab/resource_center/investing_ideas/us_manufacturing_and_energy_revival.html

    That is evidence of functional although slowly acting economic and trade theory.

    Unfortunately there will always be laggards in management - that's why they're in management :)
  • kwinnkwinn Posts: 8,697
    edited 2013-12-13 16:13
    jazzed wrote: »
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    Unfortunately there will always be laggards in management - that's why they're in management :)

    LOL. Good point.
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