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First Fire in a Tesla

JLockeJLocke Posts: 354
edited 2013-10-08 13:14 in General Discussion
Saw this article about the first recorded instance of a fire in a Tesla electric vehicle. Although it sounds like the fire was caused by running over something which then punctured the battery compartment.
[h=1]First fire in a Tesla Model S burns $600 million off the company's value[/h]

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  • mindrobotsmindrobots Posts: 6,506
    edited 2013-10-03 07:30
    Looks like another opportunity for dealer options!!

    RoastingMarshMellows.jpg
    350 x 250 - 15K
  • LoopyBytelooseLoopyByteloose Posts: 12,537
    edited 2013-10-03 08:15
    I've always thought the Tesla was a great car for the California commuter, but have been wondering about those snow bound Canadians and Northeasterners staying warm during winter months.

    ++++
    Kidding aside, if Tesla uses Li2PO4 chemistry, fire is not suppose to be a big hazard as it won't spread much. (but it seems some Florine gas might be involved from the electrolye).

    On the other hand, one gallon of gasoline is equal to four sticks of dynamite if the fuel to air ratio is right.
  • rod1963rod1963 Posts: 752
    edited 2013-10-03 11:32
    90% of commuters can't afford the smug-mobile it. It's a rich man's toy like the Segway but much less embarrassing.

    The funny thing about it, is that when the fire began the fire dept. couldn't put it out, the more water they sprayed the worse it got. Kinda like the Fiskers that burst into flames while underwater during Hurricane Sandy. That was a hoot to see these supposedly high tech vehicles designed by geniuses self-immolate after contact with water.

    What's scary is that a little road debris can turn the Tesla into a roman candle quite rapidly. If the engineers have any brainsthey'll put some sort of shield on the bottom to protect those highly flammable batteries.
  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    edited 2013-10-03 11:48
    rod1963,
    What's scary is that a little road debris can turn the Tesla into a roman candle quite rapidly. If the engineers have any brains they'll put some sort of shield on the bottom to protect...

    I don't know if you have noticed but cars have had their gas tanks inches above the road waiting to be punctured and possibly ignited by road debris since the beginning of automobiles. Nobody was protecting them with thick steel plates.

    It was "road debris" that finally put an end to the Concorde in a big fireball after 30 years or so.

    Before we jump to any conclusions, we might want to know how many road miles have been covered by Tesla's and how their rate of going on fire compares to normal gasoline powered cars. Of course these are early days so statistics are not so meaningful yet.

    Anyway, in my mind Teslas are a stupid idea for many other reasons.
  • GenetixGenetix Posts: 1,754
    edited 2013-10-03 15:03
    Hopefully they used a different battery manufacturer than Boeing used.
  • Too_Many_ToolsToo_Many_Tools Posts: 765
    edited 2013-10-03 16:30
    Only fair to post what reality actually is...

    http://www.nfpa.org/research/statistical-reports/vehicles/vehicle-fire-trends-and-patterns

    In 2003-2007, U.S. fire departments responded to an average of 287,000 vehicle fires per year. These fires caused an average of 480 civilian deaths, 1,525 civilian injuries, and $1.3 billion in direct property damage annually.

    Those who condemn electric cars remind me of those short sighted ignorant people who said gas powered vehicles would never replace their horse drawn vehicles.

    Technology does not advance without trying, failing and finally succeeding.

    JLocke wrote: »
    Saw this article about the first recorded instance of a fire in a Tesla electric vehicle. Although it sounds like the fire was caused by running over something which then punctured the battery compartment.
    First fire in a Tesla Model S burns $600 million off the company's value
  • PoundSign2PoundSign2 Posts: 129
    edited 2013-10-03 16:37
    This Tesla thing is so overblown it's boarder-line funny. Perhaps no one recalls when Dell laptop batteries caught fire and exploded. I mean FFS electrical fires happen all the time in poor housing, yet, we still stick things in the wall outlets, still buy electronics. Personally I would feel much safer driving a Tesla Model S rather than most any other car here in the States.
  • Too_Many_ToolsToo_Many_Tools Posts: 765
    edited 2013-10-03 16:42
    You bring up a good point that I have considered when working on different vehicles...how unprotected gas tanks are to road debris.

    When one considers millions of families are driving around in a potential firebomb at any one time with roads declining in maintainance daily, it is surprising that there are not more flaming disasters.



    Heater. wrote: »
    rod1963,


    I don't know if you have noticed but cars have had their gas tanks inches above the road waiting to be punctured and possibly ignited by road debris since the beginning of automobiles. Nobody was protecting them with thick steel plates.

    It was "road debris" that finally put an end to the Concorde in a big fireball after 30 years or so.

    Before we jump to any conclusions, we might want to know how many road miles have been covered by Tesla's and how their rate of going on fire compares to normal gasoline powered cars. Of course these are early days so statistics are not so meaningful yet.

    Anyway, in my mind Teslas are a stupid idea for many other reasons.
  • Too_Many_ToolsToo_Many_Tools Posts: 765
    edited 2013-10-03 16:50
    I agree.

    Any concern I would have is with high current high voltage...if in an accident the electric system would hopefully shut down so victums/first responders were not in danger.


    PoundSign2 wrote: »
    This Tesla thing is so overblown it's boarder-line funny. Perhaps no one recalls when Dell laptop batteries caught fire and exploded. I mean FFS electrical fires happen all the time in poor housing, yet, we still stick things in the wall outlets, still buy electronics. Personally I would feel much safer driving a Tesla Model S rather than most any other car here in the States.
  • Too_Many_ToolsToo_Many_Tools Posts: 765
    edited 2013-10-03 17:04
    I believe the Boeing problem is not the battery manufacturer, it was with rushing engineering to meet a deadline that was not reality.

    Sound familar?

    Years ago I remember watching a senior executive PRESSURE an engineer for a deadline on a very expensive project that was running late... a drop dead deadline where the program would be cancelled if not met...and hundreds of jobs including the engineer's job would be lost.

    The engineer's one and only response..."It will be done when it is done."

    One very brave and honest man....

    Genetix wrote: »
    Hopefully they used a different battery manufacturer than Boeing used.
  • PoundSign2PoundSign2 Posts: 129
    edited 2013-10-03 17:07
    I agree.

    Any concern I would have is with high current high voltage...if in an accident the electric system would hopefully shut down so victums/first responders were not in danger.

    This, to the best of my knowledge, has not readily happened or occurred in any model of Tesla vehicles. The over-hype of this incident affecting Tesla stock doesn't make much sense to me. Toyota had several million cars recalled and so did many other companies, however, their stock dropped because the incident affected, well, MILLIONS of cars. This is an isolated, single, and rare occurrence. There's a bad apple in every bunch, so to think the cars would be perfect is just illogical. However investors backing out over one small incident that had no casualties or fatalities is just ludicrous.
  • Too_Many_ToolsToo_Many_Tools Posts: 765
    edited 2013-10-03 17:17
    I agree it is nonsense.

    Ever hear of someone having more money than sense?

    Most investors know nothing of the technology...just they want to be first in to reap the monetary benefits if it succeeds.


    PoundSign2 wrote: »
    This, to the best of my knowledge, has not readily happened or occurred in any model of Tesla vehicles. The over-hype of this incident affecting Tesla stock doesn't make much sense to me. Toyota had several million cars recalled and so did many other companies, however, their stock dropped because the incident affected, well, MILLIONS of cars. This is an isolated, single, and rare occurrence. There's a bad apple in every bunch, so to think the cars would be perfect is just illogical. However investors backing out over one small incident that had no casualties or fatalities is just ludicrous.
  • YanomaniYanomani Posts: 1,524
    edited 2013-10-03 20:20
    Especialy for the ones, who have serious concerns about vehicular security and its consequences!

    Almost every cabs in Brazil does actually use Natural Vehicular Gas, sold in our country as GNV (G
  • LoopyBytelooseLoopyByteloose Posts: 12,537
    edited 2013-10-04 00:25
    Here is a reality check...

    I worked for a company that was running about 60 semis for a year excavating an expansion to the Moscone Center. They were on San Francisco's freeway 8-5 weekdays and our dispatcher would get a call to contact 911 about once a week of a passenger car on fire, with occupants still inside.

    You may think this is a big deal for Tesla, but car fires are in the thousands per year in the USA.... and most cars don't tell you to pull over and get out now.
  • cmeehancmeehan Posts: 8
    edited 2013-10-04 03:58
    One fire, and it needs to be looked into. It is serious, but it is no where near Pino status.
  • LoopyBytelooseLoopyByteloose Posts: 12,537
    edited 2013-10-04 05:51
    It is just news agencies pandering headlines to gain readership... a total lack of perspective. Maybe a good day to buy a few shares of Tesla before it goes up more.
  • Peter KG6LSEPeter KG6LSE Posts: 1,383
    edited 2013-10-04 23:16
    rod1963 wrote: »
    90% of commuters can't afford the smug-mobile it. It's a rich man's toy like the Segway but much less embarrassing.
    I fail to understand why its embarrassing?

    considering I pay less for my power costs for a year then most do for there insurance every month ....

    I laugh at the money I have saved .......


    TESLA as a car is a Joke ...

    One reason ...

    round peg.... square hole . .... the tesla needs a adapter to use SAE chargers ..

    remember the cellphone charger issues on the 90s and 2000s . most of them were 5V ..... diff plug .


    I need to give a EE high-five . to the LEAF ....... both plugs 1/2 and 3 are all on there ....
  • PoundSign2PoundSign2 Posts: 129
    edited 2013-10-06 17:05
    I fail to understand why its embarrassing?

    considering I pay less for my power costs for a year then most do for there insurance every month ....

    I laugh at the money I have saved .......


    TESLA as a car is a Joke ...

    One reason ...

    round peg.... square hole . .... the tesla needs a adapter to use SAE chargers ..

    remember the cellphone charger issues on the 90s and 2000s . most of them were 5V ..... diff plug .


    I need to give a EE high-five . to the LEAF ....... both plugs 1/2 and 3 are all on there ....

    Or you could just be a real man and buy a motorcycle.
  • Peter KG6LSEPeter KG6LSE Posts: 1,383
    edited 2013-10-06 19:13
    PoundSign2 wrote: »
    Or you could just be a real man and buy a motorcycle.

    how about you don't judge others !

    Hey buddy .. I am disabled ,.... I cant get a license ....
    and guess what I have Reall messed up knees .....
    I have at 2 knee operations to barely walk with less pain ..

    Il never Bike again else Illl risk destroying my knees ( Do YOU what to have a 3rd knee-job!?)



    I had 3 options

    be a lump on a log and have the Gov pay for my disibiltys ..
    Or get a hoverround ..
    or a Segway ..

    I REFUSE to sit on on my rear in a chair and drive a joystic while I can at the vvery least stand OK still .;

    I dare you you to not have working knees for 3+ years and see what you would choose !

    thank you for understanding !

    PS


    As of right now I can only walk ..... and its very painful .....



    _____________


    Now back to the Tesla ... frankly I am very amazed how under educated the media is on this stuff .

    franky the batt from what I have heard Really slowed down the FOD that hit the car ...

    Heck IFIRC t the US army did a test with a BFC ( Big freeking cap ) and 2 plates of armor to vaporize a incoming shell in to a tank ...... the round would short the cap and just like a screwdriver on a large cap ..... become a gas .
  • PoundSign2PoundSign2 Posts: 129
    edited 2013-10-07 14:55
    how about you don't judge others !

    Hey buddy .. I am disabled ,.... I cant get a license ....
    and guess what I have Reall messed up knees .....
    I have at 2 knee operations to barely walk with less pain ..

    Il never Bike again else Illl risk destroying my knees ( Do YOU what to have a 3rd knee-job!?)



    I had 3 options

    be a lump on a log and have the Gov pay for my disibiltys ..
    Or get a hoverround ..
    or a Segway ..

    I REFUSE to sit on on my rear in a chair and drive a joystic while I can at the vvery least stand OK still .;

    I dare you you to not have working knees for 3+ years and see what you would choose !

    thank you for understanding !

    PS


    As of right now I can only walk ..... and its very painful .....



    _____________


    Now back to the Tesla ... frankly I am very amazed how under educated the media is on this stuff .

    franky the batt from what I have heard Really slowed down the FOD that hit the car ...

    Heck IFIRC t the US army did a test with a BFC ( Big freeking cap ) and 2 plates of armor to vaporize a incoming shell in to a tank ...... the round would short the cap and just like a screwdriver on a large cap ..... become a gas .

    Well that joke quickly went downhill now didn't it! Apologies.

    I think what you need, or rather all of us need, is a hovercraft. Better yet, jet packs. Here's to you Science.
  • Peter KG6LSEPeter KG6LSE Posts: 1,383
    edited 2013-10-07 20:56
    hovercraft would be too high of a a impact on other peds . and jetpacks might toast some one below .

    what I need is more PT and time ........ recovery can take years ........ ..

    what I may do is Try to pass my test again and then just buy a THiNK City .... then do some aftermarket mods to it .... Hehe LiFePO4.. AC Drive train
    install a honking huge quick charger . some how push 60 kW in to it and vonlll! in town tesla for cheap
  • PoundSign2PoundSign2 Posts: 129
    edited 2013-10-07 21:08
    hovercraft would be too high of a a impact on other peds . and jetpacks might toast some one below .

    what I need is more PT and time ........ recovery can take years ........ ..

    what I may do is Try to pass my test again and then just buy a THiNK City .... then do some aftermarket mods to it .... Hehe LiFePO4.. AC Drive train
    install a honking huge quick charger . some how push 60 kW in to it and vonlll! in town tesla for cheap

    Honestly the skateboard/surfboard from Tron is the perfect thing to get. It's like a Segway but much more badass. Not to mention it's from Tron. So that helps.
  • Peter KG6LSEPeter KG6LSE Posts: 1,383
    edited 2013-10-07 21:38
    I was very close to selling my seg and get a RYNO . but it has No place to store things ..........
  • frank freedmanfrank freedman Posts: 1,983
    edited 2013-10-08 13:14
    We have a tesla out here in phoenix whose license plate leads me to wonder if he either realizes that most where electricity comes from either fossil fuels or here anyway what we don't sell to Ca from the Palo Verde station. Hope he is aware of this little recycling option............
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