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Anybody Still Read Textbooks?

ercoerco Posts: 20,256
edited 2013-09-29 19:36 in General Discussion
I've won several new textbooks for $1-$10 (Radio Shack clearance prices!) in the past week from the Ebay seller below. Working on Mars, How to Catch a Robot Rat, Computing: A Concise History, & Autonomous Robots . Very few bidders, I suppose the world has gone mad for E-books instead of hardbacks. Have a peek if you like old school books, and toss out a lowball bid or two.

http://www.ebay.com/sch/northmix11/m.html?_nkw=&_armrs=1&_ipg=&_from=

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  • ctwardellctwardell Posts: 1,716
    edited 2013-09-28 20:28
    Pretty much where we are headed...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQ4lDJs8skg

    C.W.
  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    edited 2013-09-28 21:05
    Strangely enough sales of e-books seems to have leveled off this year and real books are holding more ground than people expected: http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/08/08/e-book-sales-are-leveling-off-heres-why/

    Perhaps ironically I am just now reading "9 Algorithms That Changed The Future" by John MacCormick, the dead tree edition.
  • ercoerco Posts: 20,256
    edited 2013-09-28 21:21
    Heater. wrote: »
    the dead tree edition.

    I LIKE that ! :)
  • ElectricAyeElectricAye Posts: 4,561
    edited 2013-09-28 21:31
    ctwardell wrote: »
    Pretty much where we are headed...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQ4lDJs8skg

    C.W.

    Actually I wrote that scene. It was based on my first trip to Los Angeles many years ago. The only difference between that scene and my own experiences is that I never got to see any books.

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  • LoopyBytelooseLoopyByteloose Posts: 12,537
    edited 2013-09-28 22:51
    Hmmm... I wonder if you should really be calling those titles "textbooks". More like 'hobby books'.

    With the advent of the personal computers, we seem to have gotten an awful lot of stuff written that is not rigorous enough to be truly educational. And another trend is to provide a 600-700 page tome, when the reality is a good read for most audiences is 250 pages.

    Items are rushed to publication to exploit the latest buzz or fad, and a lot of information seems to be just recycled rather than thoughtfully put together to help the learner. Good writers are thoughtful and helpful, not mechanically commenting their way through exhaustive outlines.

    I still enjoy the Schwams Outlines as they are excellent and timeless 'textbooks'. I really liked the ARRL Handbooks in the late 1960s and early 1970s as they offered an excellent introduction to electronics.

    But somewhere and somehow, the truly classic introduction to both analog and digital electronics seems to never been written was a good presentation of the pros and cons of each.

    And as we put more and more circuitry into small chunks of silicon, the manufacturers want to hide the applied fundamentals and just sell the whole package. Books on electronics these days tend to focus on presenting one manufacturer's product line.

    Sure you can get one book on analog electronics and one on digital electronics, but no one seems brave enough to write a book that covers both in an introductory and informative fashion.

    I guess it was just easier to study electronics in the 1960s.. maybe easier to study anything. These days, everyone want to download a quick tutorial. (I grow weary of that word -- tutorial.)
  • WBA ConsultingWBA Consulting Posts: 2,934
    edited 2013-09-28 23:11
    Yep, I sure do. I am almost finished with my hardcopy of Practical Physics by Black and Davis published in 1918. I would recommend it to anyone. Unfortunately, I have yet to find a really good copy of it in e-book format because the automated systems choke on the inline formulas and graphics. I picked up my copy in a Petaluma antique store for $4.
  • LoopyBytelooseLoopyByteloose Posts: 12,537
    edited 2013-09-28 23:36
    I do most of my shopping in AbeBooks, for out-of-print classics... not e-books and certainly not the pop culture of Amazon, et al.

    Not only are titles better, often the international shipping in more reasonable. This is the best I can do on a replacement for a public libary in English.
  • LoopyBytelooseLoopyByteloose Posts: 12,537
    edited 2013-09-29 02:05
    Here's what Abe Books has for Herbert Taub... certainly better prices for books written in the 1950s.

    Amazon is there for the non-thinker to buy on impulse. You can have the same text for $11.82 in very good condition....$4.37 in fair condition including shipping in US. and one for $2.50 in good.

    I just might buy that $2.50 copy, plus shipping to Taiwan.

    http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?an=Taub+Herbert&sts=t&x=41&y=8
  • jdoleckijdolecki Posts: 726
    edited 2013-09-29 04:58
    I usually get my old books from the thrift store like goodwill you can get old textbooks for a few dollars and occasionally u get lucked and get a good one.

    Rest I'm my reading I download from various sites.
  • Invent-O-DocInvent-O-Doc Posts: 768
    edited 2013-09-29 05:30
    I'm finding that novels and things like that are fine as ebooks, but anything with illustrations, diagrams or photos is much better as a physical book, or at least a PDF that preserves the print formatting. I LOVE textbooks or at least project books and other non-fiction books for learning. Considering the fact that I'm writing an electronic project book, which may be considered a textbook, I sure hope people still are reading them....
  • RDL2004RDL2004 Posts: 2,554
    edited 2013-09-29 06:18
    I prefer real books, I find it tiring to read for very long on back lit pixelated screens. I keep thinking if I got a paperwhite Kindle or something with an really good screen I might change my mind.

    I don't keep books as much as I used to. I try to buy cheap and used. If it turns out I don't really like a book after I get it, I'll get rid of it on eBay.
  • LoopyBytelooseLoopyByteloose Posts: 12,537
    edited 2013-09-29 06:22
    I find it always rewarding to drop by a university bookstore and to see what they are selling for textbooks. The often have a used textbook section as well that offers saving.

    My own dilemma is that every year more and more is translated into Chinese and less is being sold locally in English.
  • mindrobotsmindrobots Posts: 6,506
    edited 2013-09-29 06:29
    I like the touchy feely analog world as much as the next guy but there's something to be said for a tablet with 300+ books, a couple hundred PDFs and all the digital back issues of Servo and Nuts & Volts.
  • ElectricAyeElectricAye Posts: 4,561
    edited 2013-09-29 08:39
    I think it's interesting that at least one computer expert is scrambling to preserve at least one physical copy of every book ever published. Is it ironic that he's also one of the guys who started one of the largest digital archives on the internets?

    http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2011/08/01/could-you-own-one-copy-of-every-book-ever-published-this-guy-is-trying/

    This place has some good deals on old books. You can get books as low as $4, which includes free shipping. It might take a couple weeks to get the book because it comes via media mail, but it's a great way to rescue obscure books on things you might be interested in.

    http://www.betterworldbooks.com
  • ratronicratronic Posts: 1,451
    edited 2013-09-29 09:26
    The book "How to Catch a Robot Rat" I'm a little worried about.
  • mindrobotsmindrobots Posts: 6,506
    edited 2013-09-29 11:51
    I'm sure it's nothing personal, Dave!
  • LoopyBytelooseLoopyByteloose Posts: 12,537
    edited 2013-09-29 12:22
    mindrobots wrote: »
    I like the touchy feely analog world as much as the next guy but there's something to be said for a tablet with 300+ books, a couple hundred PDFs and all the digital back issues of Servo and Nuts & Volts.

    Then again, a good book requires no batteries and allows you to sensual flip through the pages (only recently replicated by the iPad).

    And a good library adds a nice layer of insulation from noise, heat, and cold to the room. The literature I cherish is in physical text. The technical blah blah blah is finally all in pdfs.

    There was a time that I wasted a lot of pager and printer ink on printing pdgs.. but that clutter has dwindled.


    And there are times when it is obvious that both a book and a computer really make an efficent set up to get something done productively.

    I have always enjoyed collecting books and tools, and not much else.
  • jazzedjazzed Posts: 11,803
    edited 2013-09-29 13:21
    Hmmm... I wonder if you should really be calling those titles "textbooks". More like 'hobby books'.

    I agree. But some people need to use good buzz words in their titles :)

    Amazon is there for the non-thinker to buy on impulse.

    Ya, I hate to think. :) Amazon is one of my favorite retailers.


    Isn't it amazing how academics and librarians hate Wikipedia? Librarians are killing it with academic criteria, but at the same time will tell you that any encyclopedia is a starting point for learning and not a peer reviewed end point. Why burden any encyclopedia that way? Fodder for a great librarian relevance conspiracy theory :)
  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    edited 2013-09-29 13:49
    Wikipedia is one of the best things to come out of the internet. A certain class of academics hates it because it's breaking their "guild". I'm sure a lot of good hardworking researchers would rather their work were easily available for all, especially since tax payers are footing the bill for a lot of it. Always drives me nuts when go searching on some topic and end up at an academic paper locked up behind the pay wall of some publisher or institution.
  • kwinnkwinn Posts: 8,697
    edited 2013-09-29 14:06
    mindrobots wrote: »
    I like the touchy feely analog world as much as the next guy but there's something to be said for a tablet with 300+ books, a couple hundred PDFs and all the digital back issues of Servo and Nuts & Volts.

    Same here. Curling up on a comfy chair with a good paper book and a drink at your side is great once in a while, but having all your technical books, magazines, schematics, and other information available all the time is even better.
  • John AbshierJohn Abshier Posts: 1,116
    edited 2013-09-29 14:50
    A couple of months ago I was in a college bookstore to by my son a shirt. I wandered over to the textbook part thinking I would buy a textbook to read. At $170 to $240 each, I passed.

    John Abshier
  • mindrobotsmindrobots Posts: 6,506
    edited 2013-09-29 15:06
    ctwardell wrote: »
    Pretty much where we are headed...

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQ4lDJs8skg

    C.W.

    Too many blondes for my tastes.

    @loopy, all my woodworking, photography, glasswork, boatbuilding, etc., books are in book form my electronics and computer books tend to be in ebook format. Any rare opportunity I have to read fiction calls for a trip to the library for either an audio book or a printed book.
  • ercoerco Posts: 20,256
    edited 2013-09-29 19:36
    Scoff if you will, Ebook lovers. Since I posted this, a lot more people are watching and bidding on these "dead tree versions". Good thing I got my goodies already! :)
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