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Really LOUSY paint.

NWCCTVNWCCTV Posts: 3,629
edited 2013-09-08 02:17 in General Discussion
Recently I decided my office needed a serious make over so I could have more room to work on my projects and still be able to operate my business. Since my office/shop space has not been painted in about ten years I decided I would I would paint. Over the years I have done my fair share of painting. I have normally used Olympic paint and have never had any issues. This time however I decided to go with all the hype and use Valspar. HUGE mistake. On walls that already have primer paint and one coat of semi gloss, I am now on my fourth coat just trying to get complete coverage. I have lightly textured walls and I am using a roller that is made for it and even says one coat. I can not blame the roller though as I am sure it is the paint. I emailed Valspar and now they want me to waste my time calling them. It's a bit late for that!!!! I figured two coats would have done it but boy was I wrong.

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  • tonyp12tonyp12 Posts: 1,951
    edited 2013-09-06 14:57
    Light color over dark?, I have to do three coats for that sometimes when I go lighter.

    The new paint with built-in primer probably would do it in two coats and the extra $10/gallon may be worth it vs labor/time cost.

    I never paint with semi-gloss (only for baseboard) I don't even use satin, sounds nice but is to shiny
    Eggshell is the highest level of gloss I go, and I prefer to use flat-enamel that is between flat and eggshell.
  • NWCCTVNWCCTV Posts: 3,629
    edited 2013-09-06 15:31
    No, White on White!!!!! Like I said, I have never had issues with Olympic so basically lesson learned. I use semi gloss for the cleanability. It seems with flat paint you end up with a smear when trying to clean certain substances off. I spen $165.00 on this 5 gallon bucket.
  • RDL2004RDL2004 Posts: 2,554
    edited 2013-09-06 15:43
    Did you remember to stir it up? It's hard to reach the bottom of a 5 gallon pail, maybe most of the pigment is on the bottom.
  • NWCCTVNWCCTV Posts: 3,629
    edited 2013-09-06 22:45
    I stirred it up for a good 20 minutes.
  • LoopyBytelooseLoopyByteloose Posts: 12,537
    edited 2013-09-07 01:11
    Having been a general contractor and a home builder, good paint has always been an issue.

    It is important to buy from a quality producer that has outlets that have a rapid inventory turnover. Paint has a shelf-life that causes the pigment to settle, thus the big shakers used in paint stores. But paint also has emulsifiers that make the paint easier to apply and to cover better. Cheaper paints and off brands skimp on the additives. They also sell to outlets that don't have the turnover that assures the paint pigment is not settled in the bottom of the can.

    I generally found either Glidden or Fuller to be excellent choices.

    Stirring for 20 minutes might not work if you don't actually dig into and scrape the settled pigment off the bottom of a can. You have to get everything off the bottom and into suspension.
  • NWCCTVNWCCTV Posts: 3,629
    edited 2013-09-07 10:33
    Stirring for 20 minutes might not work if you don't actually dig into and scrape the settled pigment off the bottom of a can. You have to get everything off the bottom and into suspension.
    Yep, did this also. Bought paint from Lowe's. Like I said befor, I never had issues with the Olympic paint when I uses it. Live and learn.
  • PublisonPublison Posts: 12,366
    edited 2013-09-07 10:40
    NWCCTV wrote: »
    Yep, did this also. Bought paint from Lowe's. Like I said befor, I never had issues with the Olympic paint when I uses it. Live and learn.

    Did you use a wooden paint stirrer or a power stirrer?

    I have found a stick just doesn't cut it in a 5 gallon bucket.
  • tonyp12tonyp12 Posts: 1,951
    edited 2013-09-07 12:02
    Even if you don't get color added, you should ask them to put it in their shaker-machine.
  • Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi)Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi) Posts: 23,514
    edited 2013-09-07 12:38
    tonyp12 wrote:
    ... you should ask them to put it in their shaker-machine.
    They make shaker machines for five-gallon plastic buckets? That seems like a disaster waiting to happen!

    -Phil
  • xanaduxanadu Posts: 3,347
    edited 2013-09-07 13:12
    Take some pics of it, bring back the unused paint and ask for a refund. Then get what you usually get. That's way too much money for white paint. I could understand some of the designer colors but not for white...
  • tonyp12tonyp12 Posts: 1,951
    edited 2013-09-07 15:06
    >shaker machines for five-gallon plastic buckets?

    Yes they do, I'm not sure if all or any HomeDepot/Lowes have them or if plastic buckets are not recommended but its a Homer bucket in the pics.
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    http://www.ebay.com/itm/Red-Devil-5305-5-1-Gal-Paint-Shaker-with-1-Year-warranty-/281158049743#ht_2827wt_1399
  • Ym2413aYm2413a Posts: 630
    edited 2013-09-07 15:27
    Oh man, I feel your pain. When I painted my house, I had to put on 5 coats before things looked consistent. Anything less looked god awful. I forget the brand of paint I used. I do remember it being something cheap though.
  • PublisonPublison Posts: 12,366
    edited 2013-09-07 15:42
    Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi) wrote: »
    They make shaker machines for five-gallon plastic buckets? That seems like a disaster waiting to happen!

    -Phil
    As tony12 said, yes they make them, but I have never seen them at Home Depot.

    I have seen then at Porter Paint, Benjamin Moore, and Sherwin-Williams shops; but they deal with a lot of contractors.
  • kwinnkwinn Posts: 8,697
    edited 2013-09-07 19:30
    I always wipe the walls down with water and liquid dish detergent to remove grease and dirt, then clean water to remove soap residue. Then I apply a coat of good quality primer before painting. Most of the time a single coat is all that is needed even when going from a dark to lighter color. I use the best quality Behr paint. Costs a bit more but saves money and work since one coat is usually all you need.
  • Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi)Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi) Posts: 23,514
    edited 2013-09-07 22:47
    tonyp12 wrote:
    >shaker machines for five-gallon plastic buckets?

    Yes they do, I'm not sure if all or any HomeDepot/Lowes have them or if plastic buckets are not recommended but its a Homer bucket in the pics.
    'Glad is has a cover! :)

    I worked in a drugstore when I was in high school. They sold paint and had a one-gallon-sized shaker. I guess you're not supposed to shake aluminum paint. Well, someone did. The mess was awesome.

    -Phil
  • LoopyBytelooseLoopyByteloose Posts: 12,537
    edited 2013-09-08 02:17
    Be wary of clearance paint sales from small outlets. Many times, they put stale inventory on sale and change to another brand for fresh inventory.

    We had a big economic downturn, to there has likely been a lot of inventories that have not turned over within reasonable time. But if you get stuck with old paint, get everything off the bottom of the can and into suspension and you have a good change it will work well.
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