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P2 Fire demo

BaggersBaggers Posts: 3,019
edited 2013-04-23 11:28 in Propeller 2
Hi All,

Potatohead's Mandelbrot demo inspired me to do a fire demo ;)

DE2 only at the moment.

Edit: Composite also.

fire.zip
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  • nutsonnutson Posts: 242
    edited 2013-04-17 04:09
    Nice, you graphic wizards are getting the hang of real time animation using the new arithmetic features of the P2. .
  • BaggersBaggers Posts: 3,019
    edited 2013-04-17 05:33
    Thanks nutson :)

    Yeah, the new maths features are an awesome addition to it's capabilities. :D
  • Bill HenningBill Henning Posts: 6,445
    edited 2013-04-17 07:48
    Baggers,

    I just tried it - WOW!!!

    Very nice work.
  • cgraceycgracey Posts: 14,133
    edited 2013-04-17 08:35
    That's wild, Baggers!

    How did anyone figure out how to program fire? It looks really good.

    The bottom two scan lines seems to be noisy, or is that some kind of data display?

    What makes the bottom flames list to the left? If they go up straighter does it look less real?

    ...

    Okay, I've played around with it a bit.

    You can get rid of both instances of this:

    ror seedas,#4
    xor seedas,seedxo
    add seedas,seedad
    ror seedas,#1
    xor seedas,seedxo
    add seedas,seedad
    ror seedas,#2
    xor seedas,seedxo
    ror seedas,#1
    add seedas,seedad

    ...and just do this, instead...

    getlfsr seedas

    Each cog's LFSR updates every clock. The LFSRs are 32 bits, use a maximal-length tap set, and are reported with bits moved all around with some inverted. GETLFSR is there just for situations like this.
  • ColeyColey Posts: 1,108
    edited 2013-04-17 10:48
    Cool! (or not :D)
  • fixmaxfixmax Posts: 91
    edited 2013-04-17 12:25
    Hi guys,

    Is it possible to get a Youtube link for those with no DE2 to play with?
  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    edited 2013-04-17 12:31
    fixmax,

    I was about to ask the same. It's very frustrating not being able to play along.
  • nutsonnutson Posts: 242
    edited 2013-04-17 12:51
    http://youtu.be/hHKhY396GKg

    Sorry for the bad quality, my camera refuses to autofocus on the LCD screen. But it is better as nothing.
  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    edited 2013-04-17 13:13
    nutson,

    Whoa, thanks for that. What is going on there?
  • BaggersBaggers Posts: 3,019
    edited 2013-04-17 13:22
    Thanks Bill :)

    Nice one Chip, cheers for the rand generator ;)
    We always used to try making up new fancy effects back in the late 80s back on the speccy, and it just kept with us, through 16bit and onto PC etc. ;)
    The bottom two scanlines, are the seeding for the new flames, it's where I randomly set an amount of pixels to white.

    Haha Coley Thanks! :D
  • BaggersBaggers Posts: 3,019
    edited 2013-04-17 13:23
    Heater, it's a fire generating routine and rotating dots that also are on fire :)

    Thanks for posting the vid nutson :D
  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    edited 2013-04-17 13:28
    Oh yeah, silly me:)
  • pedwardpedward Posts: 1,642
    edited 2013-04-17 13:47
    Too bad I don't have a DE2.

    Though now I'm waiting for the real deal. The thought of having windowed display areas by flipping DAC pins between COGs is very entertaining! I remember reading about CRTCA and CRTCB in the ET4000W32 information, however it seems like a feature that was never used by anyone. It allowed for windowed CRTC overlaid on the main CRTC output.
  • Cluso99Cluso99 Posts: 18,069
    edited 2013-04-17 14:21
    Wow, what a great demo baggers. Amazing things to come with the P2.
    Thanks for the youtube nutson.
  • David BetzDavid Betz Posts: 14,511
    edited 2013-04-17 14:42
    Baggers wrote: »
    Hi All,

    Potatohead's Mandelbrot demo inspired me to do a fire demo ;)

    DE2 only at the moment.

    Edit: Composite also.

    fire.zip
    I guess this is composite video output. Which DAC do I connect my monitor to? Do I need the latest configuration file from Chip?
  • BaggersBaggers Posts: 3,019
    edited 2013-04-17 14:44
    Cluso99, thanks matey! :D

    David, You don't need the latest config, as it uses cog-ram, and it's composite video on P0.
  • David BetzDavid Betz Posts: 14,511
    edited 2013-04-17 14:48
    Baggers wrote: »
    Cluso99, thanks matey! :D

    David, You don't need the latest config, as it uses cog-ram, and it's composite video on P0.
    I assume the RCA jack labeled DAC0 is connected to P0. In that case, it isn't working for me. Should this work on an NTSC monitor or does it require PAL?
  • David BetzDavid Betz Posts: 14,511
    edited 2013-04-17 15:25
    David Betz wrote: »
    I assume the RCA jack labeled DAC0 is connected to P0. In that case, it isn't working for me. Should this work on an NTSC monitor or does it require PAL?
    Okay, I guess this is my problem. I have the P2_Fire.spin code working now. I had been trying to load the .bin file using p2load and that didn't seem to work. I guess there must be some bug in p2load that I haven't encountered so far. The demo looks really nice!!
  • David BetzDavid Betz Posts: 14,511
    edited 2013-04-17 15:38
    David Betz wrote: »
    Okay, I guess this is my problem. I have the P2_Fire.spin code working now. I had been trying to load the .bin file using p2load and that didn't seem to work. I guess there must be some bug in p2load that I haven't encountered so far. The demo looks really nice!!
    Duh... The binary file that was in the Fire zip file was a palette. No wonder it didn't work when loaded with p2load. I tried loading the P2_Fire.BIN created by PNut with p2load and it worked fine. Sorry for being so dense!
  • BaggersBaggers Posts: 3,019
    edited 2013-04-17 15:57
    Oops, no worries :)
    Yeah, you have to compile it, sorry, I should have stated that!

    Glad it was worth the wait though :D
  • potatoheadpotatohead Posts: 10,254
    edited 2013-04-17 17:16
    Sure beats a simple plasma! Looks great on the video! I'm stuck in O'Hare until morning due to bad weather. I almost took the DE2. Glad I didn't, because they don't know where my bag is!
  • SapiehaSapieha Posts: 2,964
    edited 2013-04-17 22:04
    Hi David.

    It was palete.

    So I now have one Question to them that upload that BIN files --- If them use (PA else other name) instead to differentiate that
    David Betz wrote: »
    Duh... The binary file that was in the Fire zip file was a palette. No wonder it didn't work when loaded with p2load. I tried loading the P2_Fire.BIN created by PNut with p2load and it worked fine. Sorry for being so dense!
  • David BetzDavid Betz Posts: 14,511
    edited 2013-04-18 04:04
    Sapieha wrote: »
    Hi David.

    It was palete.

    So I now have one Question to them that upload that BIN files --- If them use (PA else other name) instead to differentiate that
    I think I would have figured it out sooner except that downloading the palatte caused two of the LEDs to blink on my DE2-115 making me think that it was the real program that just wasn't working on my board. I guess I should try disassembling the palatte as code to figure out how that was happening.
  • cgraceycgracey Posts: 14,133
    edited 2013-04-18 09:12
    Baggers, could you please briefly explain the theory behind the fire demo? Thanks.
  • BaggersBaggers Posts: 3,019
    edited 2013-04-18 09:28
    Chip, yeah, sure, will do!
    I'm just about to have tea, so once I've eaten I'll explain the theory behind it a bit :D
  • Roy ElthamRoy Eltham Posts: 2,996
    edited 2013-04-18 10:44
    Chip,
    It's a form of Cellular Automata...

    Here is a more advanced form with more complex math, but the basis is similar:
    http://demonstrations.wolfram.com/SimulatingFlickeringFireWithNoisyCellularAutomaton/
  • BaggersBaggers Posts: 3,019
    edited 2013-04-18 12:28
    Yes, Chip, pretty much what Roy said,
    It basically gets 3 pixel values in a row from the line below the current pixel, and the middle pixel from the line lower again, divides the result by 4, if it's not black, ie 0, it reduces it by one, and the palette goes from 0-5f is black to red, 60-af is red to yellow, b0 to ff is yellow to white. to give the nice fiery colours.
    there are many ways to collect the data, from surrounding pixels, and differing complexities on the maths behind deciding what the current pixel's colour should be.
    But I find this method, pretty quick, and gives good results :) so kept with it, since the old days!
  • cgraceycgracey Posts: 14,133
    edited 2013-04-19 16:19
    Baggers wrote: »
    Yes, Chip, pretty much what Roy said,
    It basically gets 3 pixel values in a row from the line below the current pixel, and the middle pixel from the line lower again, divides the result by 4, if it's not black, ie 0, it reduces it by one, and the palette goes from 0-5f is black to red, 60-af is red to yellow, b0 to ff is yellow to white. to give the nice fiery colours.
    there are many ways to collect the data, from surrounding pixels, and differing complexities on the maths behind deciding what the current pixel's colour should be.
    But I find this method, pretty quick, and gives good results :) so kept with it, since the old days!

    Thanks for the explanation. That's pretty simple! How does it seem to blow to the left, though? And I guess this means that the bottom-most line of pixels must be randomly generated? Everything above the bottom-most line is deterministic?
  • BaggersBaggers Posts: 3,019
    edited 2013-04-19 16:40
    Yeah, I liked the decent fire you get for the simplicity of the code. The bottom most line of pixels must be randomly generated, or at least patterned enough to look random, to keep the fire going ;D

    And like you say, everything above the bottom-most line is deterministic :D
  • cgraceycgracey Posts: 14,133
    edited 2013-04-19 17:25
    Baggers wrote: »
    Yeah, I liked the decent fire you get for the simplicity of the code. The bottom most line of pixels must be randomly generated, or at least patterned enough to look random, to keep the fire going ;D

    And like you say, everything above the bottom-most line is deterministic :D

    Well, that is really neat!

    Now I know how to make "fire". It's really interesting to find how simply natural phenomena can sometimes be simulated from almost nothing.
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