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Lubricating IC sockets and female headers?

rwgast_logicdesignrwgast_logicdesign Posts: 1,464
edited 2013-04-03 21:36 in General Discussion
So the other day I was messing around with some boards I made a while ago. I needed to pull the propeller chip out of one of them, I usually socket all my IC's with pretty cheap 3M brand sockets.The particular board I pulled a Propeller chip out of has had all the chips seated in it with out removal for close to a year. I used an extractor tool for DIP ICs, the kind that look like big tweezers with hooked ends.

Anyways the chip seemed to be stuck in the socket pretty good, it was a lot tighter than normal. I tried slowly removing the chip by putting pressure on one side of it, then pulling up a little then putting pressure on the other side and pulling up a little, and so on (I guess walking it out may be a good description) until the chip was removed. Well the TX pin on the Propeller was stuck in the socket so tight when I removed the Propeller the TX pin stayed in the socket instead of staying attached to the chip. I easily fixed it by soldering some bare copper to what was left of the pin.

I was wondering how to prevent this from happening in the future. I saw a bottle of non conductive lubricant at Radio Shack but it seemed a bit expensive and the bottle was much bigger than I needed. So I was wondering if there were safe lubricants commonly found in the house, wd-40, electric razor oil, electrolytic spark plug grease? I am kind of worried that even if they do not conduct they may cause corrosion or something. Maybe there is a way to prevent this without grease?

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  • kwinnkwinn Posts: 8,697
    edited 2013-03-28 17:31
    Stay away from all three of the items you have listed for use on electronics. Get a can of good quality contact cleaner/lubricant that is intended for electronics use. WD 40 leaves a residue that builds up into a rubbery coating and is intended for machinery as are the spark plug grease and electric razor oil.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 7,620
    edited 2013-03-28 17:38
    I always use good quality turned-pin sockets.
  • RobotWorkshopRobotWorkshop Posts: 2,307
    edited 2013-03-28 18:01
    As someone who has also repaired a lot of electronic equipment besides building new projects I wouldn't spray any lubricant on any of the electronic parts. I've never heard anyone ask about doing this before. I have run across a few boards that had an oily residue on them and totally dislike any kind of spray like that. It is a pain to try and clean off. It certainly doesn't hurt to ask about it but I would say don't do it.

    Machine pin sockets are great but I really haven't had too many issues with regular DIP sockets. I would guess that 3M should be ok but I normally use AMP or some other well known brand. Dual leaf sockets (that make connections on both sides of the pins) seem to make it easier to get the chips out. To remove the chips I usually use a very thin bladed screwdriver and also have a small pick set (straight and 90 degree) that can help start get the chip out. You can free each side then carefully pry them out. Personally I think the chip extractor tools aren't worth using and more often than not one end would slip off and you end up yanking out one side of the chip and bending a bunch of leads. I may still have one or to but never use them.

    If the 3M sockets you have aren't working for you then try a different brand. The difference in cost will probably be about the same as you trying extra sprays, etc. I'll mention it again, I really, really dislike any kind of junk sprayed on a board (unless it is some no residue cleaner or flux remover) and would avoid working any any boards that someone sprayed lubricant on.

    I can see perhaps tuner cleaner for old TV tuners but it doesn't belong on any of the circuit boards I make or repair.
  • RDL2004RDL2004 Posts: 2,554
    edited 2013-03-28 18:01
    Vaseline :)

    No kidding, actually.
  • AJ-9000AJ-9000 Posts: 52
    edited 2013-03-28 19:08
    Stabilant 22 is very expensive but I would lost without it, it is suprising that nobody else mentioned it.
  • 4x5n4x5n Posts: 745
    edited 2013-03-28 19:12
    I was introduced to cramlin from Caig labs back during the 80s as a contact cleaner, to "de-noise pots" deal with bad connections between the pins of ICs and sockets, etc. The stuff was amazing and very little went an amazingly long way. Over the years cramlin was discontinued and replaced with pro-gold which was later discontinued and replaced by some form of DoxIT.

    About 20 years ago I got together with a group of people and bought a fluid ounce of pro-gold and still have a lifetime supply of it left so I have to admit I don't follow the offerings of Caig labs that closely. I do know they sell their products directly and through at least Frys and some Radio Shacks. If I lost my bottle of pro-gold I would go to the website for Caig labs and go through their offerings of current products.

    The stuff I have is an oil and after cleaning the connections leaves a very thin film of oil to prevent corrosion in the future!
  • Duane C. JohnsonDuane C. Johnson Posts: 955
    edited 2013-03-28 19:19
    Hi Guys;

    Since I plug and unplug my Prop chip quite a bit, (I'm an experimenter), I don't want to damage it. I mean it is a bit expensive.
    So I take a much cheaper machined pin socket and plug the Prop into it. Now I'm free to plug the reinforced Prop in with abandon.
    Besides, if I wreck a pin on the socket it's easily replaced.

    Duane J
  • NWCCTVNWCCTV Posts: 3,629
    edited 2013-03-28 20:00
    Back in the day we called it tuner oil. Although not really an oil. It came in a light green or turqoise can. I can not for the life of me remember what it was called but you spray it on electronics to free up sticky connections. Stuff worked like a charm and never caused any issues. One of the primary things I used it for was to spray my stereo piezos to quet static down. I will try to remember what it is and post.

    EDIT:
    can of tuner cleaner
    That's it!!!! I thought I was the only one that ever heard of it.
  • Dr_AculaDr_Acula Posts: 5,484
    edited 2013-03-28 20:26
    Eeek, broken pin? That shouldn't happen.
    I tried slowly removing the chip by putting pressure on one side of it, then pulling up a little then putting pressure on the other side and pulling up a little, and so on (I guess walking it out may be a good description) until the chip was removed.

    An IC puller is handy and will cost $1.20. http://www.futurlec.com/Tools-IC.shtml I bought a pin straightener too (scroll down that page) - very handy because all ICs have their pins bent out too far for sockets and the pin straigtener bends them to the correct position.

    Which might also be part of your problem - if the pins are pushing outwards too much the chip is harder to get in and out.

    Re machined vs cheap sockets, call me strange but I prefer the cheap ones as I think the chips are easier to remove.

    Getting chips out - wedge a flat screwdriver under one end and rotate it. Then do the other end. Walk the chip out a little bit at each end at a time. Less likely to bend pins.
  • NWCCTVNWCCTV Posts: 3,629
    edited 2013-03-28 20:31
    I remember back in the day when CPU's had pins. THAT was a major pain. One bent pin and you pretty much ruined a $700.00 CPU if you did not know it was bent and put it back. They were never easy to get out and the pins were always a little tweaked!!!
  • frank freedmanfrank freedman Posts: 1,983
    edited 2013-03-28 21:16
    GC makes a spray contact cleaner. Don't care much for them. I have only had the stuck pin problem (extremely rare) and it has been on machined pin sockets or just the bare pin. Generally when repairing a more expensive or hard to find board, if I think the chip is bad enough to change it out, it gets pretty much destroyed in the process. The board being hard or not possible to replace gets all steps to preserve.
  • LoopyBytelooseLoopyByteloose Posts: 12,537
    edited 2013-03-28 22:35
    I actually have more than one BasicStamp that I have soldered in a replacement for a broken pin. The same can be done with any DIP IC if you really need to. Replacements can come from fried ICs or just bits of wire. I have used both successfully.

    Lubrication? Many are covalent solutions... they don't conduct electricity. Others are ion solutions... they conduct electricity and corrode. If you really feel the need to lubricate... maybe a two step process is the wisest.

    First, use a spray that lubricates the sockets to get the IC removed.
    Second, use a spray cleaner that is neutral to remove all residue.

    Frankly, I don't think any DIP ICs were ever intended to last more than 20 or so years. So the sockets and the chips themselves are not very rugged. I just replaced my air conditioner and the old one had a bad UNL2003 chip due to corrosion from the moisture... at least one pin completely rotted away in five years of use. And all the push buttons on it had failed much sooner... I just relied on the remote until I went in and replaced the UNL2003 and all those little buttons.. just to see if I could repairf this in a DIY.

    When the new one arrived, the electronics were running perfect, but the cooling coils were rusted out and only the fan was working. It is a consumer product... it ain't supposed to last. That is why the Delorian stainless steel car was so unwelcome to big car makers. They love regions that salt their roads in the winter.. more sales. And with chips... we keep going to finer and finer pitch that obviously makes the corrosion issue more dire.

    In sum, built-in defects all around.
  • kwinnkwinn Posts: 8,697
    edited 2013-03-28 23:05
    I have used both Stabilant 22 and Cramlin (although I thought it was called Cramolin) when most of the boards in the equipment used sockets for the IC's. Both products helped minimize contact problems and oxidation, although they did not seem to make the chips any easier to remove from the sockets. Even though it made repairing boards more difficult I was glad to see most IC's being soldered to the boards as time went by. It made for a very noticeable decrease in problems, particularly intermittent ones.

    If I do have to plug and unplug a chip numerous times I do what Duane suggested, plug the chip into a socket, and plug/unplug the socket.
  • LoopyBytelooseLoopyByteloose Posts: 12,537
    edited 2013-03-29 00:40
    According to an old friend and audiophile that I started studying electronics with when I was 12 circa 1960, Cramolin was used by the American military throughout WW2 when all the radio equipment had silver plated connectors. It was specifically targeted for silver oxidation of RF connectors. Back then, he thought Cramolin was a must have item, but there were also stories of American GI radiomen enjoying a rather generous allotment of drinkable 190 proof alcohol for cleaning electronic instruments. The alcohol is not a good idea around solder as it is slightly acid and creates a white powdery lead oxide that can create resistive bridges between pins.

    These days we have a lot tin or even gold plugs. So I am not sure than an anti-oxidant is going to work as well. I just use a German spray product called Kontact for nearly everything. But if I am concerned with residue, I use a spray can of tuner cleaner as TV tuners require zero residue clean up. Anything left behind might affect the accuracy of their induction coils.

    Fine pitch ICs do have special problems with solder bridges or dirty. I have a working monitor that has a very fine pitch IC that requires cleaning about every 6 months or so. I am at the point where I am fed up with cleaning. So the next step is to get a bottle of nail polish lacquer (clear or red or whatever) and protect the leads after the next cleaning.

    Why use nail polish lacquer on electronics? Well, it is intended to be later removed with acetone. So if you make a mess or need a repair, you can easily get the residue out of the way. Acetone is generally a more harmless solvent than alcohol... though it does dissolve vinyl, but not too quickly.
  • 4x5n4x5n Posts: 745
    edited 2013-03-29 10:18
    kwinn wrote: »
    I have used both Stabilant 22 and Cramlin (although I thought it was called Cramolin) when most of the boards in the equipment used sockets for the IC's. Both products helped minimize contact problems and oxidation, although they did not seem to make the chips any easier to remove from the sockets. Even though it made repairing boards more difficult I was glad to see most IC's being soldered to the boards as time went by. It made for a very noticeable decrease in problems, particularly intermittent ones.

    If I do have to plug and unplug a chip numerous times I do what Duane suggested, plug the chip into a socket, and plug/unplug the socket.

    The spelling may very well have been cramolin. It's been a long time since I've seen the spelling of the stuff. I don't remember it being intended to make chips easier to insert or remove. I mostly used it on pots and connectors for low level analog voltages. That was back when I worked in factories dealing with process controls. The heat, humidity, dust,etc did a number on connectors and pots. I still use the pro-gold I have on computer memory.
  • kwinnkwinn Posts: 8,697
    edited 2013-03-29 10:43
    4x5n wrote: »
    The spelling may very well have been cramolin. It's been a long time since I've seen the spelling of the stuff. I don't remember it being intended to make chips easier to insert or remove. I mostly used it on pots and connectors for low level analog voltages. That was back when I worked in factories dealing with process controls. The heat, humidity, dust,etc did a number on connectors and pots. I still use the pro-gold I have on computer memory.

    It has been a long time since I used it as well so your spelling has as much chance of being correct as mine. IIRC it was a red colored liquid in a red bottle about the same size as that used for eye drops.

    The instruments I serviced had around 10 - 20 boards with around 30 - 40 socketed chips per board. The major part of doing a PM was spent on tightening the motherboard connector pins ( Y shaped 2 x 22 per board ) and removing and reinserting all the IC's on each board. By using Cramolin or Stabilant 22 on the IC pins they only had to be removed/reinserted once a year instead of every 6 months which was a big time saver.

    Thankfully they eventually started to solder the chips directly to the boards. That was a big step up in reliability.
  • rwgast_logicdesignrwgast_logicdesign Posts: 1,464
    edited 2013-04-02 13:38
    So last night I screwed up my last 16 pin socket, I need to get the chip on this board. I have read in many places that sockets just cause problems, I even remember a few pages in iWoz where Steve Wozniak was bashing the use of sockets. The biggest reason I use sockets is because i am afraid of damaging chips, from iron heat. When I am building on piece of Point to Point board, the heat likes to travel through the wires and heat other parts of the circuit up, this is especially true when I need to keep the iron on a single point for a longer period of time because I am cleaning up a mess. I usually just plop caps/diodes/led's/resistors/transistors down with out a second thought, and have never ruined one yet. Is it ok to ditch the sockets if this is the only reason I am using them? Am I being to paranoid about burning a chip up? Granted I have mounted chips straight to either vero board or a pcb before without problems, but these are usually very small projects, like a breakout board.
  • jmgjmg Posts: 15,173
    edited 2013-04-02 15:17
    Is it ok to ditch the sockets if this is the only reason I am using them?

    Yes, but sockets have other benefits in prototypes. Heat protection is way down the list.
    They allow quick alternative testing, and also reassurance-swap, when you suspect you may have fritzed something, but are not sure.

    On the Topic of lubrication, I once found Millmax have part codes for lubricated PLCC sockets - but stocks are hard to find.
    So it is done, and even to a commercial order-code level.
  • frank freedmanfrank freedman Posts: 1,983
    edited 2013-04-02 21:34
    I prefer to use sockets and wrap where possible and have a commercial grade gardner denver auto cut and strip for that use. Far easier to do a rip and strip or rework that way. Back in my CP/M days, I used a program (still miss it) called wiremaster. Yeah, you hand entered the netlist, and it gave you a full wrap list from it. Best part was it was optimized for length, longest closest to the bottom layer, and most importantly to me at any rate, was the wraps were laid out so as to minimize how many wires had to come off to make changes. Wish there was an open source listing of that code..... He77, I would buy it all over again as easy to use as it was then. Oh, yeah, discrete parts, just soldered them to headers for insertion into a socket. Wiremaster made it pretty hard to gorf that one up as well.

    FF
    So last night I screwed up my last 16 pin socket, I need to get the chip on this board. I have read in many places that sockets just cause problems, I even remember a few pages in iWoz where Steve Wozniak was bashing the use of sockets. The biggest reason I use sockets is because i am afraid of damaging chips, from iron heat. When I am building on piece of Point to Point board, the heat likes to travel through the wires and heat other parts of the circuit up, this is especially true when I need to keep the iron on a single point for a longer period of time because I am cleaning up a mess. I usually just plop caps/diodes/led's/resistors/transistors down with out a second thought, and have never ruined one yet. Is it ok to ditch the sockets if this is the only reason I am using them? Am I being to paranoid about burning a chip up? Granted I have mounted chips straight to either vero board or a pcb before without problems, but these are usually very small projects, like a breakout board.
  • kwinnkwinn Posts: 8,697
    edited 2013-04-03 11:04
    @frank freedman

    Wiremaster sounds like a great tool for wire wrapping. Back in the day when I did a lot of wire wrap I used Supercalc on CPM to create a net list from hand drawn schematics. Now you can probably print the net list from a schematic capture program to a file using a generic acii print driver and import that to a spreadsheet. Not as good, but somewhat helpful.

    What I really miss was the wrap tool that slit the insulation as you wrapped it around the post, and let you go from post to post without cutting the wire. You could connect a dozen posts in a minute or two.
  • rwgast_logicdesignrwgast_logicdesign Posts: 1,464
    edited 2013-04-03 12:47
    Just out of curiosity, why would you still use wire wrap these days? For prototyping is there any kind of advantage over a proto board? I am much to young to have ever been exposed to wire wrap projects, but from what I have seen in pictures it seems like a real mess over piece of point to point proto-board. The only reason I could even imagine wanting to wire wrap something these day would be if you did not want to solder the components and the capacitance of a bread board would cause problems with you circuit.

    Yes having to rework a proto board is a pain in the butt, but I think the point is to try to avoid that by testing your circuit on a bread board then transferring it to the p2p board. When a small mistake has been made and needs to be fixed I would imagine it would take less time on a p2p board than it would ripping layers of wire out to get to the mistake, and then re wrapping all the wire you ripped out once the mistake has been fixed.
  • garyggaryg Posts: 420
    edited 2013-04-03 13:17
    I use wire wrapping on any projects that I need to conserve space on.
    I can wire wrap connections directly to IC sockets (wire wrap type) and
    directly to resistor like components.
    After my connections are wrapped and confirmed correct, I usually lightly solder the wrapped connections.
    If I make a mistake in my connections, I cut the wire wrapped wire and pull it out, then rewrap correctly.
    Repairing mistakes is easier than point to point wiring corrections.
    Sorry I don't have a photo of past wire wrapped projects.
  • frank freedmanfrank freedman Posts: 1,983
    edited 2013-04-03 13:47
    @kwinn, If you were refering to the aluminum stick with a wrap at one end and a spool of wire at the other, I had one of those as well. Worked great most of the time, but I always wondered when it would not make good contacts. If I recall, it would use the square edges of the pins to punch through the insulation and make a gas tight contact.

    @ RW, How many bread board modules would you need to proto out a 200+ mixed ssi, msi, and lsi on a breadboard. now that would be a testing nightmare come to life. wirewrap far more reliable than breadboard. also much quieter than the breadboard. Many of the development tools and simulators were north of 6-8 digits exclusive of the decimal point in the '80s and into the 90's. We are spoiled with the stuff out there now...... I still like wirewrap for testing ideas
  • kwinnkwinn Posts: 8,697
    edited 2013-04-03 21:02
    Just out of curiosity, why would you still use wire wrap these days? For prototyping is there any kind of advantage over a proto board? I am much to young to have ever been exposed to wire wrap projects, but from what I have seen in pictures it seems like a real mess over piece of point to point proto-board. The only reason I could even imagine wanting to wire wrap something these day would be if you did not want to solder the components and the capacitance of a bread board would cause problems with you circuit.
    I have not done any wire wrap prototype boards for quite a few years for several reasons, the main ones being cost and reliability. Cost wise my time is worth a lot more now than the cost of having a PCB made does. Thirty years ago that was not the case. I could spend several days wire wrapping a board for a fraction of what it would cost to have a commercial 2 layer PCB made. Those boards were almost exclusively digital since wire wrap is not much better than proto boards for analog circuitry. Schematic capture and PCB layout software has also made the job much simpler and accurate as well as making correcting mistakes a trivial task.

    Yes having to rework a proto board is a pain in the butt, but I think the point is to try to avoid that by testing your circuit on a bread board then transferring it to the p2p board. When a small mistake has been made and needs to be fixed I would imagine it would take less time on a p2p board than it would ripping layers of wire out to get to the mistake, and then re wrapping all the wire you ripped out once the mistake has been fixed.

    No arguments here, although if I had my original strip and wrap wire wrapping tool I might be tempted to wire wrap some of the simpler "one of a kind" digital boards. Once any needed testing/rework of the board had been completed the connections could be soldered for reliability.
  • kwinnkwinn Posts: 8,697
    edited 2013-04-03 21:36
    @kwinn, If you were referring to the aluminum stick with a wrap at one end and a spool of wire at the other, I had one of those as well. Worked great most of the time, but I always wondered when it would not make good contacts. If I recall, it would use the square edges of the pins to punch through the insulation and make a gas tight contact.

    That is very close to the tool I was using. The only difference is that it would slit the insulation as it wrapped it around the post to get a better contact.

    Here are my 10 commandments before installing the boards:

    1 - Always route the wire so it comes to the pin from outside the chip/socket.
    2 - Wrap two or three turns around each post.
    3 - Connect 0.1uF bypass capacitors between chips in a row.
    4 - Connect and power and ground.
    5 - Solder bypass capacitor, power, and ground connections.
    6 - Verify the power connections by applying power and measuring voltages before continuing.
    7 - Make the connections specified in the net list.
    8 - Verify connections with an ohm meter before continuing.
    9 - Test the board for correct operation and make corrections as needed.
    10 - Solder all the connections and retest before installing at customer site.
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