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Wire Choice

Kirk FraserKirk Fraser Posts: 364
edited 2013-03-16 01:19 in General Discussion
I've been having trouble with wires connecting my propeller to a sensor. My local PUD says copper wires get brittle, breaking more often than aluminum wires. For electronics, what is the wire of choice?

Based on my general knowledge, I would think a copper coated soft steel wire ought to be conductive, stong, and flexible to maximize endurance when manipluating the boards or applications where there's a lot of flexing.

Any specific links to buy reliable wires? Thank you.

Comments

  • LeonLeon Posts: 7,620
    edited 2013-03-15 15:04
    Copper wire is very reliable if the correct type is used with the right connectors and the boards are properly designed.
  • ElectricAyeElectricAye Posts: 4,561
    edited 2013-03-15 17:09
    What are you doing with these wires? Stranded copper wire might work better than solid copper wire in some flexing situations, but you must be careful about the stress point where the strands solder to a lug or whatever. Who is using aluminum wires? and are they soldering them or what?

    What's a PUD?
  • NWCCTVNWCCTV Posts: 3,629
    edited 2013-03-15 17:37
    What's a PUD?

    I believe it is Public Utility Department.
  • Kirk FraserKirk Fraser Posts: 364
    edited 2013-03-15 20:11
    Yes, PUD is Public Utility District. They wire between the power plant and homes or businesses. Unfortunately my PUD has power outages practically every year but I enjoyed life in Portland OR without power outages for most of a decade so I asked the PUD and they said aluminum is better. However they crimp, they don't solder.

    I once used stranded copper extension cord to wire a switch for a burglar alarm through a door so locking the key would activate it. Unfortunately even with plenty of slack the flex eventually broke the wire in a few months. My current Propeller application has much less flex but apparently my own handling of the boards was enough to break a solid Cat-5 wire or two.

    So what do they use for flat ribbon cable to the print head in printers with movable heads?
  • pmrobertpmrobert Posts: 675
    edited 2013-03-15 20:43
    I just dissected a ribbon cable from an old printer. A large number of very fine copper strands comprise each conductor.
  • jonesjones Posts: 281
    edited 2013-03-15 21:06
    Consider what others use. Electric welding, for example involves cables that are twisted, pulled, stepped on, driven over and mistreated about every way they can be. They also carry large currents. They are stranded copper. The coil cord on your telephone handset is similarly stretched, twisted, etc. and it's also stranded copper. Long ago I worked on military helicopters which are prone to vibration, and every one of the hundreds of wires on them was stranded copper. Given that copper is much heavier than aluminum and this was an aircraft, if there was ANY advantage to aluminum they'd use it, but they used only copper, never aluminum. In the area where I live, aluminum is no longer allowed for new mains wiring. Copper only.

    Generally speaking, a stranded copper wire is flexible up to some point where it's made non-flexible by soldering it to something, or trapping it in some way such that it makes a sharp bend. For best reliability, use crimped connectors (don't try to "improve the reliability" by soldering them) and any place the wire has to bend a lot put a loop, never a sharp corner. Line cord isn't the best example of copper wire because the cheap plastic insulation can get stiff, crack, and then that crack will force the copper to bend sharply at that point which can cause it to fail. Even then, I have devices with line cords that have been bending without problems for many years.

    One addition point. Instead of asking the power utility, which has different problems than sensor wiring, ask an alarm installer or the telephone company what they use.
  • LoopyBytelooseLoopyByteloose Posts: 12,537
    edited 2013-03-16 01:19
    The majority wire failures are at the ends, where they connect to a device.

    This is due to several reasons
    A. flexing
    B. corrosion
    C. lack of adequate insulation

    Of course a PUD would mention aluminum as it is used in power transmission cables, but due to the high resistance of aluminum oxide forming at the ends, it is rather infamous for causing electrical fires in house wiring. You can't easily solder it, and it must be properly prepared and coated with anti-oxidant to work well.

    In other words, forget aluminum.

    Copper is generally the simplest and most cost effective to use. Some components -- such as axial resistors - are indeed soft iron that is plated with copper. But nearly all small diameter cables are constructed from copper alone.

    Again, the PUD may be referring to high tension transmission cables that require a steel cable to support the huge distances between towers and the outside is coated with copper.

    In the world of tiny devices -- people often try to use silver and gold as alternatives. Silver forms an oxide that creates all sorts of problems similar to aluminum, but gold and some other precious metals do not. Gold is used on the internal construction of many chips is extremely tiny wires. But you will likely never own the machinery to wire such devices.

    If you absolutely must have flex in a connection, there are a lot of remedies -- strain relief devices, coiled flexible cords, and more. IT is all about the contruction details, not about changing to another metal.

    In sum, stick with copper unless you have an excellent reason not to. And pay attention to your connections to make sure they are 100% effective. About the only other electrical conductor I use in some cases is brass as a heavy buss material.
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