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Java, Eclipse and Perl, oh my!

mindrobotsmindrobots Posts: 6,506
edited 2013-02-10 06:04 in General Discussion
At this late point in my professional life, I'm making a career change. Same company, just a new career path.

Begone, spreadsheets counting storage and switches! Begone, forecasts and trends and accommodating last minute 300TB projects!!

Hello, Software Development!! Welcome, Java, Eclipse and Perl. I'm ready to be agile and embrace the eXtreme! Coach, put me in the Scrum, there's a user story I need to hear. I'm tired of being a chicken, I want to be a PIG!!

If in the past, I've said anything derogatory about Java or Eclipse or maligned the gem that is Perl, I'm sure I was just mistaken and talking through my ignorance. They are great tools and are enablers of my future success!!

Soon, I will without ceremony be thrust into my application like a babe from the womb!

This will severely impact my Propeller time even more than my present duties.

Feel sorry for my users, the last time I coded for money it involved the operating system of a LARGE mainframe and lots and lots of lines of assembler code!! We didn't need to be agile, we had flow charts and a few lines of comments, by gum!!

Comments

  • Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi)Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi) Posts: 23,514
    edited 2013-02-07 10:13
    Congrats on your decision to embrace Perl! (I shall withhold judgment on the Java and Eclipse part. :) )

    -Phil
  • mindrobotsmindrobots Posts: 6,506
    edited 2013-02-07 10:24
    Thanks! For the longest time, Perl and I have had a love/hate relationship. For some reason, it just wouldn't would "click" inside my little head. Recently, something I read just made it start to make more sense....of course, at my age, this could be dementia setting in. :smile:
  • Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi)Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi) Posts: 23,514
    edited 2013-02-07 10:31
    mindrobots wrote:
    ... of course, at my age, this could be dementia setting in.
    Hmm, 'scary thought, as it might also explain my never-ending infatuation with Perl. :)

    -Phil
  • ZetsuZetsu Posts: 186
    edited 2013-02-07 10:37
    I love eclipse, I love perl, java i am 50/50 on... It seems to try to overstretch its reach...

    The o'reilly books on perl are really good, I didn't care for their java book.

    the predicttext that eclipse uses is awesome, also if i spell one of my calls to a method wrong eclipse cleans it up for me etc.. etc..
    Another great feature of eclipse is the todo's that put line markers where u have made a #TODO comment.. love it...
  • ZootZoot Posts: 2,227
    edited 2013-02-07 10:37
    Eclipse has been slammed by some on the forums for being this or that (or not this or not that, as the case may be). Given that it's Java based, the speed of the IDE really depends on the speed and quality of the Java VM being run on your particular computer. If that's not an issue, it's a fantastic platform, and there are so many languages available. It changed my professional (and hobby) life dramatically.

    Perl of course is just about the clearest, most consistent and flexible language... I'm with Phil on that 100%. Would that PHP and other Perl-like derivatives had maintained such exceptional lexical and syntatic clarity.
  • ZetsuZetsu Posts: 186
    edited 2013-02-07 10:40
    also almost forgot if u have java and eclipse you are 3/4 the way to android development ( although I think its a pain ).
  • ZootZoot Posts: 2,227
    edited 2013-02-07 10:51
    Zetsu -- I would concur that installing the Android SDK in Eclipse was not as seamless as it could be, but it's not bad to use. I was a total Eclipse and Android newbie when I set up that SDK, and within 2 or 3 hours I had my Android phone running a "Hello World" app...
  • ZetsuZetsu Posts: 186
    edited 2013-02-07 11:50
    Zoot wrote: »
    Zetsu -- I would concur that installing the Android SDK in Eclipse was not as seamless as it could be, but it's not bad to use. I was a total Eclipse and Android newbie when I set up that SDK, and within 2 or 3 hours I had my Android phone running a "Hello World" app...

    try this, make an application that has a button that when you click it displays instructions to the screen, it must hide the whole ui of the app and only have instructions on screen....
    Making all those Hooks or whatever they are called ( i cant remember ) for just a few pages of text is overly complex imo...

    Maybe there was a better way of doing it, but I picked up android dev by trial by fire, IE my boss comes and says, hey I want you to make an android app... I respond with Okay... He then says I need it by next week 0.0 !!!!!!
  • ZootZoot Posts: 2,227
    edited 2013-02-07 12:22
    Zetsu -- sorry, I thought you were talking about using Eclipse for Android development being a pain. Sounds like you are talking about the structure of Java apps themselves for Android -- sorry, you gotta talk to Google about that :)
  • 4x5n4x5n Posts: 745
    edited 2013-02-07 19:31
    Way to go with Perl! I have no idea why python has become so popular.
  • Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi)Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi) Posts: 23,514
    edited 2013-02-07 19:41
    4x5n wrote:
    I have no idea why python has become so popular.
    Me neither. Maybe it has something to do with Guido Sarducci's -- oh, wait, that's not his last name -- eloquence in contrast with Larry Wall's rather scattered presentation abilities. But, then, Perl is a messy, messy language, with all the benefits that accrue thereunto. If you crave tidiness (and its concomitant limitations), by all means, use Python.

    -Phil
  • mindrobotsmindrobots Posts: 6,506
    edited 2013-02-07 20:05
    Maybe because you can't write "one liners" in Python so it's deemed more readable? Maybe the sigils in Perl that confuse people? Maybe Perl is too much like English? Maybe Python is considered more object oriented? Python is cool and new(er), Perl is what your dad used to administer those old Unix servers?
  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    edited 2013-02-10 05:27
    mindrobots,

    Congratulations on you jump in career, that's a big step, good luck.

    Commiserations on being dumped into such an environment "Java, Eclipse and Perl, oh dear":(

    To keep your spirits up as your future unfolds, I offer you two things that will keep your mind focused and foster an attitude that will enable you to survive and power you forward in your darkest moments.

    1) The Python Gansta Rap: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJ7QsEytQq4

    2) How to program with attitude: http://programming-motherfucker.com/

    WARNING. Bad language above. Not suitable for sensitive people. But then neither is a career in programming.

    The second link is especially good thearapy when you brough low by, and need all you power to resist, any attempts to force you to be agile or eXtreme and thrown into a scrum. God, how uncivilized. Who dreams up this gibberish?

    Wishing you all the best in your new endeavours.
  • mindrobotsmindrobots Posts: 6,506
    edited 2013-02-10 06:04
    Thanks, Heater!

    I'm sure the supplied ditties will come in handy.
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