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Moebius Mind Meltdown

ercoerco Posts: 20,259
edited 2013-01-18 02:33 in General Discussion
Speaking of enigmas, try this sometime: http://www.exo.net/~pauld/activities/mobius/mobiusdissection.html

Splitting a paper moebius strip down the middle twice yields a surprise:

A mathematician confided
That a Mobius band is one-sided,
And you'll get quite a laugh,
If you cut one in half,
For it stays in one piece when divided.

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  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    edited 2013-01-15 11:37
    Didn't you do that back in play school already? I thought everyone did. Still, it is hard to imagine what happens before you do it.
  • LoopyBytelooseLoopyByteloose Posts: 12,537
    edited 2013-01-15 19:03
    @Erco
    What you mentioned is fairly well-known. But there is a much more exotic split. This may be a bit more of a mind meltdown.

    According to Martin Gardner of Scientific American, if you take a Klien bottle and split it down the middle -- you get two Moebius Strips of opposite twists. This is a bit more profound as you go from a 3-D object to a plane surface loop.

    There is a proof for this in "The Colossal Book of Mathematics" that is done by creating a paper model of a Klien bottle and then bisecting it.

    http://www.amazon.com/Colossal-Book-Mathematics-Paradoxes-Problems/dp/0393020231
  • ercoerco Posts: 20,259
    edited 2013-01-15 19:31
    @Erco
    What you mentioned is fairly well-known.

    Hmmm. Other than still owning Martin Gardner's book "Science Puzzlers" from way back in 1966, I'm beginning to suspect that I've lived a sheltered life. :(
  • LoopyBytelooseLoopyByteloose Posts: 12,537
    edited 2013-01-15 19:35
    Sheltered? In L.A.?
    Nope, it is just that Parallax Forums has a lot of people that actually think and read.

    http://mathforum.org/kb/message.jspa?messageID=7756465
  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    edited 2013-01-16 07:03
    If you real want a jelly wobble of your brain have a look at "How to turn a sphere inside out"
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVVfs4zKrgk
    Gets kind of hairy at the 1 and a half minute point.
    Part two is here:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x7d13SgqUXg

    It took me a long while to convince myself that you could turn a bicycle inner tube inside out through it's plug hole without tearing anything if the rubber was stretchy enough.

    Seems topologists are quire happy to turn spheres and toruses inside out even without any holes in them. They just have some odd rules like "self intersection is OK", "causing a sharp crease in the surface is not OK"
  • LoopyBytelooseLoopyByteloose Posts: 12,537
    edited 2013-01-16 08:11
    I suppose that a Klein bottle might be considered an anti-torus in some respects - the Klein bottle has one surface, the torus if hollow would have two. Both have no edges. Both have something that might be considered a hole that is trapped by the object.

    It was actually only a week or two ago that came across the fact that Klein bottle can make Moebius strips. So the relationship between the two and topology have been on my mind of late. Something has shifted in my thinking of what surfaces are, and possibly a relationship to knots.

    No sure where this all leads, but there is a dusty corner in my mind with a lot of rather obscure geometric and mathematical observations.

    Hyper-cubes are likely to turn the mind to mush.

    There still are thinks that can be discovered. For instance, I have a perfectly good and useful model of the creative and destructive cycles of the five elements in Chinese medicine modeled with an icosohedron. I've never seen it used in any text on Chinese medicine, but it works perfectly to decrible the whole, inclusive of the two poles being the major division yin and the yang.

    I keep getting new insights, so I keep studying. Also recently spent a lot of time with exploring how the Tower of Hanoi puzzle might apply to Forth two stack engines in terms of keeping processes in order. So far, no conclusions.... but interesting.
  • sylvie369sylvie369 Posts: 1,622
    edited 2013-01-17 19:05
    Do you know how to cut a hole in a standard 8-1/2" x 11" sheet of paper that is large enough for a grown man to go through?

    I used to entertain kids with that and the Mobius strip trick.
  • LoopyBytelooseLoopyByteloose Posts: 12,537
    edited 2013-01-18 01:03
    Sorry, but I've not had to climb through a sheet of paper lately, but I suspect some folding makes the careful cutting of the paper work better.

    And so, folding is a very valid mathematical topic, but in the case of the Moebius strip, it is a twist that does all that is wonderful.

    Okay, more food for though for everyone.

    Moebius Strips actually come in two varieties -- plain and knotted.

    Not sure where this might lead, but it is a fact -- both twisted and knotted together.

    http://www.knotplot.com/moebius/

  • LoopyBytelooseLoopyByteloose Posts: 12,537
    edited 2013-01-18 02:33
    Okay, put a knot in your Moebius strip and then, bisect it like Erco suggested. Why?

    Gauss Braid theory, of course.

    We also seem to have Moebius strips existing in molecular forms and even on crystaline form. I am not sure if this qualifies as a third category for crystals as there are now classic crystals and quasi-crystals.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4PO7LqmZk5M
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