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Jocks vs. Brains: the debate rages on

ElectricAyeElectricAye Posts: 4,561
edited 2012-12-05 21:28 in General Discussion
I've always wondered about bellicose cultures. Lots of battles result in lots of brain injuries. Brain injuries make you stupid, impulsive, sometimes violent. So you start a war because you get mad kinda easily and send your kids into battle. Ergo the cycle continues. Is it a form of natural selection that weeds out the worst of us? or is it a self-destructive infinite-loop that drags us all down? And are we a culture that is unwittingly worshipping brain injury recipients?

Intriguing new research:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/12/03/sports/study-bolsters-link-between-routine-hits-to-head-and-long-term-brain-disease.html?hp&_r=0


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  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    edited 2012-12-03 07:31
    I always had this gut instinct that exercise and sport were bad for your health:)

    American football would perhaps cause a lot less brain damage if they played it with out all that body armour and crash hats on. Rugby is a similar game that does not seem to have these head trauma problems. Having a lot of body protection just encourages one to batter away harder.
  • rod1963rod1963 Posts: 752
    edited 2012-12-03 07:52
    Any hard contact sport will take it's toll on the body and brain over time - hence the early retirements of athletes in their late 20's to early 30's, their bodies are shot. The good thing is, it's limited to a tiny percentage of the population as most people lack the athletic ability to fully participate in these sports.

    Of course some sports are much worse than others. Harder the contact and the bigger the players the worse it gets.. Take football, when it was played with leather helmets the men half the weight of the roided out monsters that top out at 300lbs. Add the gear that allows them to ram themselves at full speed into another player and you have a recipe for damage. Then again they are very well compensated compared to almost every other profession, so I don't shed a tear over their injuries.
  • Peter KG6LSEPeter KG6LSE Posts: 1,383
    edited 2012-12-03 08:23
    I have been in both sides ..
    1st year in college ,,,wrestling .. It was that or waterpolo and I can swim worth a darn ..

    Then in 09 right as I was Graduating for the first time . I was in ballet .
    this ended up destroying my knees so now I am handicapped ....

    I would not consider my self a jock by any means . ..

    * as a pure geek with a distaste for college sports I am thrilled that OIT's north campus is %100 geek on campus . No sports are here at all .*

    Heater has a good point . the way we pad US football players reduces there Front on, linear veloicity ,impacts . Yet all those pads are worthless for over-rotation and twist . so Yes Players play harder and as long as the impact is Head on so to say the damage is smalll. Yet a non square impact will twist your joints to shreads ..


    This is akin to playing paintball with Live .22 rounds and kevlar vests ..


    And there is the money aspect .....

    Playing with a inflated oblong ball is not worthy of more then 100K a year ...
    No sport is . It is just entertainment . and I have yet to see Real actors in theater making 6 FIg for doing good Shakespeare .
  • mindrobotsmindrobots Posts: 6,506
    edited 2012-12-03 08:50
    On any given Sunday, I think there is more brain damage among the American Football fans than among the American Football players. Just guessing but I think alchohal may be a contributing factor.
  • Peter KG6LSEPeter KG6LSE Posts: 1,383
    edited 2012-12-03 09:44
    mindrobots Oh this is SO true!!!!

    I see a ton of " fluid dynamics" on Foot ball days
  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    edited 2012-12-03 09:49
    Seems football is so incredibly boring you have to get seriously drunk to enjoy it.
  • ElectricAyeElectricAye Posts: 4,561
    edited 2012-12-03 10:06
    Heater. wrote: »
    Seems football is so incredibly boring you have to get seriously drunk to enjoy it.

    Boring isn't the word.
    According to the Wall Street Journal, actual play time for an NFL game is about 11 minutes.
    67 minutes of your life are squandered watching the players do nothing but stand around.
    It's like selling Americans breakfast cereal - most of it is nothing but air.

    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704281204575002852055561406.html

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  • lardomlardom Posts: 1,659
    edited 2012-12-03 10:12
    You can't convince me to outlaw driving because the possibility exists that an oncoming vehicle might cross the double yellow line. Football injuries may have been a contributing factor among other things. Some years back the phrase "Going postal" had become popular.
    The way I see it is we all have a set of keys and we wouldn't even 'think' of giving them up.
  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    edited 2012-12-03 10:25
    I could have been talking about real football, as played in the rest of the world, where they run around all the time. It's still terminally dull.
  • LoopyBytelooseLoopyByteloose Posts: 12,537
    edited 2012-12-03 11:10
    So... should we revive gladitorial competitions. Or some other sort of blood sport, such as bare fistted boxing?

    Sort of like sarcrificing the dumb to keep the brains entertained.

    Personally, I became disinterested when althlete became solely interested in the money. Cheating, performance enhanciing drugs, unsportsman-like activities on and off the field, sponsors that own the players and the name of the stadium, and so on.

    Watching the rich get richer might be an interesting thing to do, but I have no intention of paying to do so.
  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    edited 2012-12-03 11:41
    lardom,
    You can't convince me to outlaw driving because the possibility exists that ...
    You are viewing the situation from the modern day skewed perspective.

    When automobiles first appeared they were so obviously dangerous that you could not drive one on a public highway without a guy walking in front carrying a red flag.

    Someone dies on the roads in the USA about every 15 minutes. That's about forty thousand per year.
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1372202/U-S-road-deaths-lowest-levels-60-years--killed-16-minutes.html

    The September the 11th attacks killed about 3000 people.

    I think you see where I am going with this. Whilst I might not expect driving of private cars to be outlawed if you want to reduce the unnecessary death toll of American citizens your efforts and money would be better spent regulating traffic than worrying about terrorists.

    As far as the old red flag is concerned. Whilst it seems unreasonable to expect a guy to walk in front of your car with a flag I see no reason why a car traveling through an urban area where people live and move should ever be allowed to travel at more than walking pace.
  • prof_brainoprof_braino Posts: 4,313
    edited 2012-12-03 18:13
    I only play non competitive team sports. Like rock bands, and robot programming. Everyone's a winner, and much fewer injuries.

    If i ever find myself battling lions and grizzly bears, I'll adapt, but for now it seems games focused on crushing you enemy seem kind of silly.

    Anyway, jocks vs brains? Whats that about? Both groups are exactly the same, except for how much time they practice the other discipline. As with everything in this life.
  • kwinnkwinn Posts: 8,697
    edited 2012-12-03 18:26
    So... should we revive gladitorial competitions. Or some other sort of blood sport, such as bare fistted boxing?

    Sort of like sarcrificing the dumb to keep the brains entertained.

    Personally, I became disinterested when althlete became solely interested in the money. Cheating, performance enhanciing drugs, unsportsman-like activities on and off the field, sponsors that own the players and the name of the stadium, and so on.

    Watching the rich get richer might be an interesting thing to do, but I have no intention of paying to do so.

    Couldn't agree more. I gave up taking my kids to sports events after having loud mouthed morons like the one in the picture ElectricAye posted spill beer and food all over us. We found more enjoyable ways to spend time together.
  • rod1963rod1963 Posts: 752
    edited 2012-12-03 19:01
    Bloodsport?

    We already have that - it's called Professional Wrestling and Mix Martial Arts competitions. The former is more popular than NFL Football and it kills their wrestlers at a alarming rate. From Concussions, to steroid and painkiller addictions, add in the illegal drugs provided by the company to keep the wrestlers from bolting and you have a recipe for crippling injuries and death.

    Mixed Martial Arts - is just a sanitized version of gladitorial games. The fighters have careers measured in less than a decade. Some only last a handful of fights and they're finished. Some of the biggest names have painkiller addictions and juice. It's spreading fast.

    Football isn't much better, these guys are all juice heads. I don't care what the NFL docs say, a tackle who is 6'4" and 320 pounds and moves like a sprinter is juicing big time. It's killing them before the brain trauma sets in. IMS most die in their mid-50's.

    It's all about bread and circuses for the masses. The same applies for Soccer at the pro level, just a way to keep people distracted with mindless garbage.
  • lardomlardom Posts: 1,659
    edited 2012-12-03 22:07
    @Heater, I remember reading "How are you going to get somebody to sit over an explosion?" in regard to the internal combustion engine. If flying cars ever become common the mortality rate will rise but I'd still love to have one.
  • LoopyBytelooseLoopyByteloose Posts: 12,537
    edited 2012-12-04 06:59
    rod1963 wrote: »
    Bloodsport?

    We already have that - it's called Professional Wrestling and Mix Martial Arts competitions. The former is more popular than NFL Football and it kills their wrestlers at a alarming rate. From Concussions, to steroid and painkiller addictions, add in the illegal drugs provided by the company to keep the wrestlers from bolting and you have a recipe for crippling injuries and death.

    Mixed Martial Arts - is just a sanitized version of gladitorial games. The fighters have careers measured in less than a decade. Some only last a handful of fights and they're finished. Some of the biggest names have painkiller addictions and juice. It's spreading fast.

    Football isn't much better, these guys are all juice heads. I don't care what the NFL docs say, a tackle who is 6'4" and 320 pounds and moves like a sprinter is juicing big time. It's killing them before the brain trauma sets in. IMS most die in their mid-50's.

    It's all about bread and circuses for the masses. The same applies for Soccer at the pro level, just a way to keep people distracted with mindless garbage.

    All following the great tradition of self-destruction that was pioneered by Evil Kneevl.

    But I have trouble considering Professional Wrestling a real sport. Then again, some people claim gambling is a sport as well, or dog racing.

    The mindless fill the stadiums for just about any purpose - sports, religion, music, auto races. More intelligent folks can stay away.
  • DahDah Posts: 4
    edited 2012-12-04 22:01
    It seems ignorant that just because one thing can entertain a certain group that you assume that anyone who partakes in these events is less intelligent than the simply entertained group? Why is it somebody who enjoys watching cars race or sport games is a lesser person as a result. I do not understand these competitions either, sans football occasionally, however before simply sloughing someone else's hobbies or interests you should dismount the rather elevated horse of yours. We all get our "fix" somehow, if it does not affect you then why should you feel the need to devalue them as humans.
  • User NameUser Name Posts: 1,451
    edited 2012-12-04 23:09
    Speaking of brain injuries...watch any old TV program - The Big Valley, Hawaii 5-0, and Mission Impossible come to mind - and every five minutes someone is being knocked unconscious. Knocking a person unconscious takes a pretty massive blow. And it doesn't take many blows like that to doom one to early dotage.

    When he was a kid, a former boss of mine competed with his friends to see who was the toughest. It seems the two chief tests were 1) how high could you survive a jump to the ground and 2) how hard could you be slugged in the stomach. Those never seemed like good ideas to me. I don't know if such thinking was a remnant of WWII and the idea of soldier heroes, or if it hearkened back to frontier life.
  • bsnutbsnut Posts: 521
    edited 2012-12-05 01:06
    I only play non competitive team sports. Like rock bands, and robot programming. Everyone's a winner, and much fewer injuries.

    If i ever find myself battling lions and grizzly bears, I'll adapt, but for now it seems games focused on crushing you enemy seem kind of silly.

    Anyway, jocks vs brains? Whats that about? Both groups are exactly the same, except for how much time they practice the other discipline. As with everything in this life.
    Could I interested you in new competitive team sport call robot football based on a arcade game Cyperball that I played years ago and you can even program them. Better than crashing the human brains.
  • ElectricAyeElectricAye Posts: 4,561
    edited 2012-12-05 07:22
    User Name wrote: »
    ...

    When he was a kid, a former boss of mine competed with his friends to see who was the toughest.... I don't know if such thinking was a remnant of WWII and the idea of soldier heroes, or if it hearkened back to frontier life.

    That's a good question. A number of old relatives and "old timer" colleagues of mine used to tell me stories of what their typical Friday nights were like: they'd go out to bars with their buddies, get drunk and intentionally get into fist fights with strangers. I even heard stories of particular groups of females in Mississippi who did exactly the same. This was all pre-WW2 stuff and such events seem to have waned post WW2. It's always baffled me, and when Fight Club became such a popular movie, and when this wretched cage fighting stuff became available on cable, I really began to wonder: De-evolution? Darwinism in action? Personally, I probably wouldn't care what people outside my gene pool do to each other, but brain injuries have a way of spilling over into my personal space and suck up public resources that could be spent raising the rest of us a notch or two higher out of the cesspool of ignorance.

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  • lardomlardom Posts: 1,659
    edited 2012-12-05 09:03
    I don't like getting hurt but I still like to watch competitive sports. We are unique. I don't want to follow the 'herd'. I strongly prefer to think for myself.
    I'm also one of those who likes food flavored with wood smoke. "Smoke"? That's strange but just as strange is cows that spend all day eating grass."Hmm.." Taste as well as the speed of light is relative.
  • 4x5n4x5n Posts: 745
    edited 2012-12-05 18:02
    Heater. wrote: »
    Seems football is so incredibly boring you have to get seriously drunk to enjoy it.

    Once you come to understand the strategy involved in football you come to appreciate the sport.
  • User NameUser Name Posts: 1,451
    edited 2012-12-05 21:21
    @ElectricAye: Wow, what a captivating photo!!
  • ElectricAyeElectricAye Posts: 4,561
    edited 2012-12-05 21:28
    User Name wrote: »
    @ElectricAye: Wow, what a captivating photo!!

    Indeed. But, like most images I present, it's not mine. It's an image pulled in from here:
    http://www.flickr.com/photos/lynfrancey/4296048750/
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