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Keep your computer clean!

Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi)Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi) Posts: 23,514
edited 2012-10-06 23:13 in General Discussion
No, I don't mean delete your porn collection, if you have one. :) But vacuum the computer out every once in awhile.

A friend brought his PC by for me to look at, since it quit working. It would power up normally; but after a couple minutes, the screen would begin to show artifacts, and then the computer would turn itself off. So I opened the case, and as soon as I did, a fan blade fell out. It was from the video card cooler:

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Yikes! Now that's some caked-on dust! Even the heatsink came loose from its moorings in the course of destruction, by melting one of the nylon rivets holding it i place. I'm frankly surprised that it didn't cause further damage by causing a short circuit on the PCB.

-Phil
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  • RobotWorkshopRobotWorkshop Posts: 2,307
    edited 2012-10-05 11:55
    That is one of the reasons I try to find the video cards with the larger heat sink and no fan required. I've seen several video cards fail like that. But, that is the first one I've seen the fan fall off of.
  • Ron CzapalaRon Czapala Posts: 2,418
    edited 2012-10-05 12:06
    That's why I used compressed air and a vacuum to clean all the fans, etc.
    I usually pop-out the bus cards and reseat them since the contacts sometimes can get slightly oxidized.

    Cleaning your refrigerator coils is another good idea. I remove the back cover and use my air compressor nozzle. It you have pets, you might be amazed at what you'll find...
  • MicrocontrolledMicrocontrolled Posts: 2,461
    edited 2012-10-05 12:37
    This happened once to a computer my dad owned, it had a specifically unique video card used for a specific piece of equipment, and it got clogged with dust. It broke the video card (due to overheating), rendering the equipment and the computer useless. After that, he had me dust out all of his computers. What fun. :P
  • Duane DegnDuane Degn Posts: 10,588
    edited 2012-10-05 12:44
    I built my previous computer myself. Since I had used a rather large high-end case that had some extra room between the front of the case and the intake fans, I secured several layers of filter material (normally used with out heat pump) inside this gap. This worked amazingly well. That was the only computer I ever had that didn't have a layer of dust inside. I did have to replace the filter material at least once a year.

    It was really nice to be able to open up the case and find the components were still clean.
  • RickInTexasRickInTexas Posts: 124
    edited 2012-10-05 14:53
    That is one of the reasons I try to find the video cards with the larger heat sink and no fan required. I've seen several video cards fail like that. But, that is the first one I've seen the fan fall off of.

    I really like those,quiet is really nice too.

    HEAT KILLS electronics. Heck with the $5 can of air, I periodically bring in the leaf blower (don't do this when your wife's home) and blow out the TV, Stereo, computers and fridge.
  • Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi)Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi) Posts: 23,514
    edited 2012-10-05 14:59
    I periodically bring in the leaf blower (don't do this when your wife's home) and blow out the TV ...
    Doesn't that dislodge the tubes from their sockets? :)

    -Phil
  • Peter KG6LSEPeter KG6LSE Posts: 1,383
    edited 2012-10-05 15:01
    I used to use a a few puffs From one of my many Scuba tanks. no Oil or crud but 100-170 PSI off the 1st stage Reg .... .
  • Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi)Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi) Posts: 23,514
    edited 2012-10-05 15:05
    My friend just showed up again with a spare video card he had stashed in a drawer. 'Plugged it in, powered up his computer, and it worked. So crisis averted -- this time.

    -Phil
  • idbruceidbruce Posts: 6,197
    edited 2012-10-06 02:16
    LOL Talk about a bad scenario.

    With the exception of my laptop, I have built every computer that I use, so I am not shy about sticking my hands inside the case. I have several computers in different areas that I use for different purposes or reasons, and usually these areas are a very dusty or dirty environment, and considering that I am still a pretty heavy smoker, my PCs usually need to be cleaned twice a year. I do not have a set schedule for maintaining and cleaning the PCs, instead I use the audible sound of the PCs fans to inform me if a cleaning is necessary. When the sound of the PC changes, it usually indicates that a fan is wearing out or the PC needs a serious cleaning. If the PC is not too dirty, I simply clean it with a household vacuum cleaner. On the other hand, if it is utterly filthy, I will complete disassemble it, including the removal of the cover of the power supply, and vacuum clean any dust and dirt from the circuit boards, electrical components, fans, and heatsinks. Additionally, there are times when I clean the fan shrouds and fan blades with rubbing alcohol and cotton swabs, because of buildup.

    Additionally, throughout the years, I have received many used PCs from friends and associates, so that I may salvage useful parts. Upon opening these PCs, I am surprised they even managed to function, because of all the dirt buildup. In many instances, several of the various fans were barely rotating.

    Bruce
  • LoopyBytelooseLoopyByteloose Posts: 12,537
    edited 2012-10-06 03:15
    For quite a few years now I have cleaned the insides of my computers, including power supplies. It has paid off in longer lasting computers with less data loss problems. Over the same years, I have just had one failure and it was a hard disk that gave me an early warning.

    Heat is the destructive force. Dust and dirt just help it along. Use a clean 2 inch paint brush and maybe a smaller water color brush of some sort to remove the dust. Spray with video tuner cleaner if you need a safe, non-residue solvent (though this is not good for the environment).

    Newer video cards got overly ambitious and a lot of them require excesses of power and generate huge amounts of heat. Nvidia, Geo-force, and others were guilty on not being willing to fully engineer a solution. So these devices can be rather fragile and can brown out a less that adequate power supply. Then the brown outs lead to all sorts of other problems.

    In other words, make sure you have BOTH adequate cooling and adequate power. Just because a board is slot compatible doesn't mean that the machine is ready to handle it.

    Alcohol is mildly acidic and can corrode solder. The Lead Oxide is problematic as it is not a good conductor of electricity, but it can it can conduct enough to cause weird problems. We all want something that will not melt a rather mystifying array of plastics. That is why I use tuner cleaner. Or sprays might damage plastics just from benzene areosol propellent and other sprays might provide residues in the form of lubricants.

    50psi of compressed air pointed in the wrong direction is enough to pop out an eye ball and leave you wondering what happened.
  • Matt GillilandMatt Gilliland Posts: 1,406
    edited 2012-10-06 06:43
    Mine is the best electrostatic air cleaner ever.

    Those filters - you know, those big flat things with all the little components on it? They work really well!

    I wonder if they're dishwasher safe?

    -MattG
  • mindrobotsmindrobots Posts: 6,506
    edited 2012-10-06 06:47

    I wonder if they're dishwasher safe?

    -MattG

    Sure, they are!! They won't hurt the dishwasher at all!!!
  • RDL2004RDL2004 Posts: 2,554
    edited 2012-10-06 07:20
    I still own the first computer I ever bought. It's an IBM 486DX2-50. It has been boxed up and in storage for the last 10 years. I just took it out a few weeks ago, thinking I might restore it to its original condition. It doesn't have any fans (other than in the power supply) and the video chip is on the motherboard, but it dates back a time when I was a heavy smoker (quit in '97) and the insides are pretty gunked up. I think I'm going to disassemble it and run the boards through the dishwasher to clean them up.
  • LoopyBytelooseLoopyByteloose Posts: 12,537
    edited 2012-10-06 07:35
    There is a question of whether electrolytic capacitors deteriorate faster by sitting unused. I have no idea with modern ones, but this was definitely an issue with earlier capacitors and audiophiles often spend time 'reforming' the power supplies on old audio equipment or periodically powering up units that are rarely used.

    This king of deterioration is all about the chemical stability of the oil or other stuff used to create electrolytic capacitors.

    My first computer in Taiwan is no longer as it rusted out. I doubt it this happens often in the average location, but at the time, the steel industry here was going strong and the acidity in the air attacked just about anything that was steel. The light protective plating on the chassis just wasn't enough.
  • Oldbitcollector (Jeff)Oldbitcollector (Jeff) Posts: 8,091
    edited 2012-10-06 10:07
    I still build around 1 PC for someone a month. I switched to motherboards with onboard video a few years ago, I can safely say this was one of the smarter moves I've ever done. I've had a handful of customers insist on "plug-in" video cards, most with fans and have had issues like this with every single one of them. (Only one of those customers actually had a real reason for having a stronger video card.)

    Jeff
  • GadgetmanGadgetman Posts: 2,436
    edited 2012-10-06 15:10
    I've seen worse...

    I know for a fact that one PC at a local fire station caught fire once, because of buildup of dust.
    It was a part of a monitoring system for an underground car park that they had the responsibility of overseeing.
    It was in in the 'operations room', inside a large custom 'control bench'. The bench was pretty much closed off at the bottom so that no one could accidentally kick anything, and only a couple of holes at desktop height for mouse and keyboard, then the monitors above that in a sloping wall. Really nicely made, almost as if they'd been watching too many clips from NASA or something.
    Dust entered at the top, but couldn't leave and was eventually sucked into the computers...

    Their current building has an easier-to-access bench, and the room is slightly overpressurised so that dust doesn't enter as easily...

    In my organisation we have some large service halls for anything up to 18-wheelers.
    Out of necessity, we have to keep a PC and printer in there.
    At first we tried with 'sealed' 19" racks where the stuff was placed on shelves inside...
    Much lot of good that did. They needed to restart the PC, or get the printout, fix paper jams and so on...
    In fact, the cabinets were opened up so often that we just gave up and told them to cover the equipment properly before using the pressure washer...

    HP Laserjet printers are very resilient beasts...
    (We have LJ6mp printers from that time that still works. Covered in gray gunge, but still prints.)
    PCs, though, are considered expendables. A PC that has 'served well' for 2 or 3 years, that has been taken out of use and is considered 'too old to be placed with ordinary users, but a shame to throw away' is usually the ideal candidate for those places.
    (We usually assume a 4 year lifespan on a PC in my organisation.)
  • GadgetmanGadgetman Posts: 2,436
    edited 2012-10-06 15:16
    RDL2004 wrote: »
    I still own the first computer I ever bought. It's an IBM 486DX2-50. It has been boxed up and in storage for the last 10 years. I just took it out a few weeks ago, thinking I might restore it to its original condition. It doesn't have any fans (other than in the power supply) and the video chip is on the motherboard, but it dates back a time when I was a heavy smoker (quit in '97) and the insides are pretty gunked up. I think I'm going to disassemble it and run the boards through the dishwasher to clean them up.

    If you do that, I'll smack you over the head with a cod or pollock...
    (Depends on what I can cath netxt time I'm out fishing)
    Use a proper cleaning agent designed for electronics!
    Either a spray cleaning agent, or a bottle of something based on isopropyl alcohol.

    Dishwashers are NOT designed to clean delicate electronics!
  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    edited 2012-10-06 15:30
    I once knew an insurance assessor who told me that one of the most common causes of house fires was the accumulation of dust on the radiators at the back of domestic refridgerators which eventually overheats and combusts. Since then I have made sure to give the fridge and the PC a good cleaning once a year.
  • frank freedmanfrank freedman Posts: 1,983
    edited 2012-10-06 15:33
    NVIDIA is notorious for the fan failing. By the time the random chars and other stuff shows up, its too late to do much more than lift the video cable and insert a newer video card.
  • frank freedmanfrank freedman Posts: 1,983
    edited 2012-10-06 15:41
    That's why I used compressed air and a vacuum to clean all the fans, etc.
    I usually pop-out the bus cards and reseat them since the contacts sometimes can get slightly oxidized.

    Cleaning your refrigerator coils is another good idea. I remove the back cover and use my air compressor nozzle. It you have pets, you might be amazed at what you'll find...
    Be careful doing this on older units. If you shock the condenser lines (that which is being vacuumed) you can knock some particulate loose. That may in turn get stuck in the expansion orifice blocking or severely restricting refrigerant flow. Not usually fixable on your own. Especially if it is an older R-12 unit like the one I killed in this very manner. Was not worth fixing as I would have had to purchase or recover the R-12. Recovery of course is not optional, rather mandatory.. To the dump it went.......
  • WBA ConsultingWBA Consulting Posts: 2,935
    edited 2012-10-06 23:13
    My NVidia card in my Win7 MediaPC gives me a warning about once every 6-8 weeks. It starts getting noticeably noisy and I have to pop it out, blow off the fan, remove the fan blade mechanism, lube the bearing with tri-flow, then put it all back together. It happens all of a sudden, and it has been easier to fix right away with this method rather than replacing the card. The card has ran flawlessly otherwise for 2 years, so I would rather fix the mechanical problem than replace the card and have the risk of a new issue. (I have the driver's settings tweaked heavily to make it run perfect with anything I toss at it)
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