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In China, Human Costs Are Built Into an iPad

Ron CzapalaRon Czapala Posts: 2,418
edited 2012-09-27 22:41 in General Discussion
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/china-human-costs-built-ipad-175037829.html

EXCERPT:
In the last decade, Apple has become one of the mightiest, richest and most successful companies in the world, in part by mastering global manufacturing. Apple and its high-technology peers — as well as dozens of other American industries — have achieved a pace of innovation nearly unmatched in modern history.

However, the workers assembling iPhones, iPads and other devices often labor in harsh conditions, according to employees inside those plants, worker advocates and documents published by companies themselves. Problems are as varied as onerous work environments and serious — sometimes deadly — safety problems.

Employees work excessive overtime, in some cases seven days a week, and live in crowded dorms. Some say they stand so long that their legs swell until they can hardly walk. Under-age workers have helped build Apple’s products, and the company’s suppliers have improperly disposed of hazardous waste and falsified records, according to company reports and advocacy groups that, within China, are often considered reliable, independent monitors.

More troubling, the groups say, is some suppliers’ disregard for workers’ health. Two years ago, 137 workers at an Apple supplier in eastern China were injured after they were ordered to use a poisonous chemical to clean iPhone screens. Within seven months last year, two explosions at iPad factories, including in Chengdu, killed four people and injured 77. Before those blasts, Apple had been alerted to hazardous conditions inside the Chengdu plant, according to a Chinese group that published that warning.

“If Apple was warned, and didn’t act, that’s reprehensible,” said Nicholas Ashford, a former chairman of the National Advisory Committee on Occupational Safety and Health, a group that advises the United States Labor Department. “But what’s morally repugnant in one country is accepted business practices in another, and companies take advantage of that.”

Comments

  • mindrobotsmindrobots Posts: 6,506
    edited 2012-09-27 12:27
    and lets not think our other electronics are built by happy workers with 15 minute breaks at the beach every hour:
    Apple is not the only electronics company doing business within a troubling supply system. Bleak working conditions have been documented at factories manufacturing products for Dell, Hewlett-Packard, I.B.M., Lenovo, Motorola, Nokia, Sony, Toshiba and others.
  • JordanCClarkJordanCClark Posts: 198
    edited 2012-09-27 12:37
    “If Apple was warned, and didn’t act, that’s reprehensible,” said Nicholas Ashford, a former chairman of the National Advisory Committee on Occupational Safety and Health, a group that advises the United States Labor Department. “But what’s morally repugnant in one country is accepted business practices in another, and companies take advantage of that.”

    Likely, the customer isn't going to know. Manufacturers tend to fall all over themselves prepping for important visitors so that the 'dog-and-pony show' makes everything look okay. I've lived on both sides of that equation. :innocent:
  • potatoheadpotatohead Posts: 10,261
    edited 2012-09-27 12:48
    It is a hard trade off.

    On a basic level, people are expensive. People can run cheap, but the cost of that is lower standard of living and significantly less time to be the great people they can otherwise be.

    It is worth it to consider the basic anthropologists definition and measure of wealth: wealthy people have enough self purposed time to be in a desirable state of being where poor people have the majority of their time purposed for them.

    Money and things run above that, and in conflict with it, particularly when people are not valued properly and their wealth as beings is ignored. Why and how that happens is political and to a significant degree cultural too. I am reluctant to make statements on either here, but to ask that we contemplate that dynamic.
  • skylightskylight Posts: 1,915
    edited 2012-09-27 14:53
    I'm not sure if it's called something different in the States but in the UK the Fairtrade system is supposed to make sure that workers in third world countries (i'm not suggesting that China is a third world country) are treated properly with fair pay and conditions and the Fairtrade symbol appears on the products covered by the scheme. A similar scheme in China may be harder to implement due to the reported oppressive regime there?
  • ercoerco Posts: 20,259
    edited 2012-09-27 16:27
    And I thought Hazard Fraught was joking ...

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  • ElectricAyeElectricAye Posts: 4,561
    edited 2012-09-27 17:03
    A lot of common decencies we take for granted these days in the developed world were won after long, hard, bitter struggles. Business leaders in developing nations are well aware of the history of developed nations and have therefore put in place social systems that will ensure such evolution will never happen there. And this is what we're in competition with, kiddies. My message to kids these days: learn about robots or learn to live like one.


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  • Dr_AculaDr_Acula Posts: 5,484
    edited 2012-09-27 18:21
    @erco post #6, that one sneaks up on you. Very amusing. I'm off to purchase my 18V cordless hammer now :)
  • rod1963rod1963 Posts: 752
    edited 2012-09-27 19:30
    Actually it's probably better for kids to avoid robotics and learn a real trade like a auto mechanic, plumber, railroad section hand or air conditioning repairman. The tech field is just as vulnerable to off-shoring as any other field. At least they won't be stuck in a soul draining Herman-Miller cube for 40 years as the job eats away at their health working for a company they hate. Though the cube thing seems to be giving way to the cattle pen model where you have desks scattered about in a open space - no room for privacy or personal space. Add in the massive presence of cameras and computers in the workplace that monitor you everywhere including the bathroom, what you do on the computer and what you say on the phone.
  • ercoerco Posts: 20,259
    edited 2012-09-27 19:33
    Dr_Acula wrote: »
    @erco post #6, that one sneaks up on you. Very amusing. I'm off to purchase my 18V cordless hammer now :)

    Didja see the whole ad? Hysterical... http://hooniverse.com/2012/09/24/truth-in-advertising-hazard-fraught-tools/
  • User NameUser Name Posts: 1,451
    edited 2012-09-27 19:40
    Manufacturers tend to fall all over themselves prepping for important visitors so that the 'dog-and-pony show' makes everything look okay.

    Ever since PhiPi recommended "Poorly Made in China," I haven't been the same. Reading that book led to half-a-dozen others. I never realized how poorly educated I was about the most populous country on Earth.
  • ercoerco Posts: 20,259
    edited 2012-09-27 19:51
    Careful with those stereotypes. I've been working in a gray cloth cubicle farm for 29 years now. Part of a giant billion dollar megabrand company. Not yer average cubicle farm mind you. Pure R&D. Electromechanical prototyping. Dream it up and build it. It's far and away the most amazing, creative, challenging, FUN place imaginable. They've tried to outsource our jobs and met with utter failure every time. They've almost given up. :) I'm surrounded by the best and most creative people around, an incredible team. We love our jobs, we love our company. And we're so happy & healthy, in fact, that 18 of us road biked 125 hilly miles just last Sunday near Malibu. Play together, win together. There are great jobs to be had, but you have to work for 'em.
  • mindrobotsmindrobots Posts: 6,506
    edited 2012-09-27 20:03
    At least they won't be stuck in a soul draining Herman-Miller cube for 40 years as the job eats away at their health working for a company they hate.

    Ok, this is the second or third time I've read my job description in these forums in the past month! Lighten up, already!! :0)
  • frank freedmanfrank freedman Posts: 1,983
    edited 2012-09-27 20:18
    The sad thing about these conditions is that theyare regulated by their own governments, no less so than ours and more. Furthermore, if we were to stop doing business with these governments (who after all control the workforce), the working people will be fruther reduced in their already lowered standard of living perhaps from assembling electronic products to scavenging them out of a very dangerous dumping place. Can't change much without changing the outlook of the various governments. Don't know if we have the will to use either the carrot or the stick to do so.

    Frank
  • Dr_AculaDr_Acula Posts: 5,484
    edited 2012-09-27 21:23
    @erco
    Didja see the whole ad? Hysterical... http://hooniverse.com/2012/09/24/tru...fraught-tools/

    That made my day. I've got to buy the "some kind of guage". Trying not to laugh too loudly while at work!
  • ctwardellctwardell Posts: 1,716
    edited 2012-09-27 22:16
    Dr_Acula wrote: »
    @erco post #6, that one sneaks up on you. Very amusing. I'm off to purchase my 18V cordless hammer now :)

    The really, really, really sad part is...Craftsman is serious...

    http://www.amazon.com/Craftsman-9-11818-12-volt-Lithium-lon-Hammerhead/dp/B0040ZLPGY

    Only 12V though, bummer.

    C.W.
  • LoopyBytelooseLoopyByteloose Posts: 12,537
    edited 2012-09-27 22:41
    Well this is all rather odd after Ken just posted new guidelines. I read them over and politics is one of the no-no's. I was just pondering how I have occasionally slipped due to the pressures of living in Taiwan and in the shadow of Mainland China.

    My own gut feeling is this is not about China so much as it is about Corporate America going global and exporting jobs in the USA because of existing strong unions and labor laws, and of course, environment laws. I left California at 43 year of age because it became very obvious that all I was going to get in San Francisco was temp jobs of six months or less due to being older. Corporate America had played the lobbying game very well and managed to downsize by using huge temp agencies such as Adia (a Swiss outfit) to no longer have to provide benefits to a vast array of what-used-to-be 'entry level' jobs. com

    Instead of starting in a mail room and working your way up to President, the job was now given to a temp that had to be dismissed within six months and the corporate bottom-line looked much healthier.

    After three or so decades of such 'progress' in America, we have come to the end game. In sum, where are the customers going to come from if our fellow Americans don't have jobs?

    The whole hub-bub about Apple in China is just a side show of the real issues. At this point, Americans are distracted into political gripes about what is going on overseas. But the real issue should be whether to buy American and dump American corporations that don't contribute to the American economy. In this case, Apple has huge cash capital reserves. And Microsoft borrowed funds last year to pay a dividend to shareholders just because so much of its income is off-shore where it is NOT being taxes by the USA. It it were to use its own funds to pay the dividend, there would have been a huge tax bill. Instead it takes advantage of the low, low interest rates of quantitative easing.

    Face it, the average American needs to have government protect American prosperity rather than trying to export the US corporate model to the world for the sake of the wealthy.

    I guess I have completely blown Ken's political guidelines with this posting. Please forgive me.

    I have lived in Taiwan for 18 years. The first 3 years I worked 7 days a week and the for another 4 years I worked 6 days a week. If people in the US got willing to be competitive with the long hours others put in, they might be back at work and not standing in lines waiting to buy an iPhone5 on their over-extended credit card. But I suspect it is going to take more control of the corporate sector as they have learned that by being multi-national, they can operate without loyalty to any nation.

    At least in Taiwan, I get full medical and dental coverage for $25 USD per month. Though I turn 65 in December and now Medicare wants me to pay another $70USD or so per month for medication coverage that will NOT deliver any medications to me in Taiwan.

    In sum, clean up America First, and let the world take care of itself.
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