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$7 Scientific Calculator

ercoerco Posts: 20,259
edited 2012-09-14 16:16 in General Discussion
http://www.frys.com/product/3067899;jsessionid=nnlw-fZta8oVhoWISymwDA__.node1?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG

Grab one from a Fry's near you (or only $4 to ship one). 10 digit, 2-line display. Much better than fumbling with that silly smartphone app on your bench. I may need two.

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  • Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi)Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi) Posts: 23,514
    edited 2012-09-08 17:23
    That's a lot of functionality for seven bucks. It's not solar-powered, though.

    -Phil
  • NWCCTVNWCCTV Posts: 3,629
    edited 2012-09-08 17:26
    erco wrote: »
    http://www.frys.com/product/3067899;jsessionid=nnlw-fZta8oVhoWISymwDA__.node1?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG

    Much better than fumbling with that silly smartphone app on your bench.

    I myself just use the one built in to Windows 7 Calculator. Either that, or if it is too complicated I use the Internet!!!!
  • jmgjmg Posts: 15,183
    edited 2012-09-08 17:52
    NWCCTV wrote: »
    I myself just use the one built in to Windows 7 Calculator. Either that, or if it is too complicated I use the Internet!!!!

    My favourite is ConsoleCalc, an extended precision model, with a nice Text editor interface.

    http://www.zoesoft.com/console-calculator/

    and I've used wolfram alpha for things like Egyptian fractions.
  • ercoerco Posts: 20,259
    edited 2012-09-08 21:07
    Killjoys! What if it's nightime and your computer is off? :)
  • NWCCTVNWCCTV Posts: 3,629
    edited 2012-09-08 21:14
    My computer is always on!!! If power goes out, then I would just use my Netbook and my BT enabled cell phone to access the Internet. If all that fails, then it is not that important any how!!!!
  • ercoerco Posts: 20,259
    edited 2012-09-08 21:21
    OK, after the Atomic Flame Deluge hits and the EMP wipes out all your computers, internet and cellphones, snail mail me your handwritten math formulas and I'll use my $7 calculator to get you the answer in a month or two. I'll keep it safe inside a grounded lead case until then.
  • NWCCTVNWCCTV Posts: 3,629
    edited 2012-09-08 22:18
    TO LA??? If all that happens LA would be the LAST place I would want to have my formulas end up!!!!!!!!!!!
  • Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi)Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi) Posts: 23,514
    edited 2012-09-08 23:18
    erco wrote:
    Killjoys! What if it's nightime and your computer is off?
    Solar power! Running from the light of a single candle:

    attachment.php?attachmentid=95434&d=1347171418

    ('Paid way more than $7, though, back when.)

    -Phil
    324 x 486 - 47K
  • mindrobotsmindrobots Posts: 6,506
    edited 2012-09-09 03:51
    I think it's a dandy calculator for $7!!!

    Look at all it can do: (even computer math and logic operations)
    Scientific Calculator features 272 functions, 10 x 2 line display, Multi-Line Playback to make scientific equations easier for students to solve. Ideal for students studying general math, algebra, geometry, and trigonometry. Advanced Direct Algebraic Logic simplifies entry equations by allowing students to input equations exactly as shown. Features nine independent memories, last answer recall, last-digit correction, continuous calculation, 10 parenthesis levels, log (and inverse), percent, fraction calculation, trigonometry functions, statistics functions including two variable, standard deviation, six regression types and factorials, and computer math, such as logic operators.
  • localrogerlocalroger Posts: 3,452
    edited 2012-09-09 06:33
    The only scientific calculator worth having: http://hp15c.org/

    Actually, I had an HP11C which I bought in 1981 and I was heartbroken when it died. The HP15 was the "upgrade" which was probably a bit over-ambitious; doing matrices and complex numbers on a single-line display is a bit awkward. But RPN rocks for complex formulas, and it was a blast in college to see the look on someone's face when they ask to borrow your calculator and you say "Surrrre..." and watch as they search in vain for the = key.
  • ercoerco Posts: 20,259
    edited 2012-09-09 07:52
    I still have my HP-41CV somewhere, and numerous others. But for a daily beater, try to beat this for the price!

    Just man up and get one; Fry's is clearing them out. Just like those Itomic eReaders, when dey gone, dey gone! Don't say erco dint warn ya!
  • localrogerlocalroger Posts: 3,452
    edited 2012-09-09 11:12
    Yeah, it's hard to beat the price, but I also already have a TI-35 I use for the beater. IIRC it was only like $11 so on the low end, this isn't all that spectacular a deal. By contrast the Itomic reader was really meant to retail for $150, and there's nothing anywhere near it for even three times its price.
  • jazzedjazzed Posts: 11,803
    edited 2012-09-09 11:20
    Try the mouse calculator at $15 :
    http://www.frys.com/search?search_type=regular&sqxts=1&query_string=mouse+calculator&submit.x=0&submit.y=0&cat=0

    The Windows 7 calculator is a great disappointment to me. I use it occasionally for quick hex/dec conversions, but i keep forgetting to switch to another mode for floating point results like in mm/inch conversions. Having to swap modes is a PITA.
  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    edited 2012-09-10 00:56
    mindrobots,
    Ideal for students studying general math, algebra, geometry, and trigonometry.

    Back in the day we studied all of that in school to age 15 and never needed a calculator, Never mind that for most of that time there were no such things for my generation. Then a couple of years more in technical college and the another 3 years at university. No calculator required. After all most of the time you are dealing with symols and equations, hardly a number to be seen. Questions were set in such a way that things worked out very simply numerically and your end result would often be an equation. Not only did we not need a calculator it's hard to see how one would help in presenting a proof or such.

    So why is it that over the years I have read so many times about school kids or students and the problems they have with calculators. Apparently the types of calculators you can take into examinations is very controlled. But why do they need one anyway?
  • max72max72 Posts: 1,155
    edited 2012-09-10 01:45
    For the PC I use speedcrunch, free and runs also under Linux.
    You can change base simply with the function keys.
  • mindrobotsmindrobots Posts: 6,506
    edited 2012-09-10 03:17
    Heater, Sorry to mislead, those words were from the product description so people could get an idea of what it could do since Fry's didn't list features, I was curious about it having a "programmers" mode so I looked up the specs.

    I too, am from the pre-calculator generation and had experiences similar to yours. My early working days were spent without a programmer's calculator and many a late night OS dump was busted with scribbles of octal calculation out in the margins. Calculators are wonderful tools but they are just that and you still need to understand the underlying mechanics and be able to understand the input and results in my book...and much to her chagrin in our daughter's education, also!!
  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    edited 2012-09-10 03:38
    That's OK, clearly a calculator manufacturer will push those ideas.For sure calculators that could handle hexadecimal and octal were a god send and times.

    But my general question still stands, why do kids in school and students need a calculator so much when studying maths? Why are they even allowed into examinations?

    After all you start out learning numbers and arithmetic, any questions there you should be solving in your head otherwise you are not learnig anything. Soon after that everything is pretty much symbolic. The numeric results are not the important thing but your working is.
  • mindrobotsmindrobots Posts: 6,506
    edited 2012-09-10 05:36
    Heater. wrote: »
    But my general question still stands, why do kids in school and students need a calculator so much when studying maths? Why are they even allowed into examinations?

    <SARCASM>
    Um, so they can use a cash register when they have topped out in their career and don't embarrass the average customer by calculating change in their heads?
    </SARCASM>

    I marvel at the times I've told a clerk/cashier how much change I should be getting back and they look at me in wonder like I've performed some sort of ancient magic! Well, I guess doing subtraction in your head is some sort of ancient magic now days!
  • CircuitsoftCircuitsoft Posts: 1,166
    edited 2012-09-10 06:08
    My roommate's little brother asked if he could borrow my calculator, so I handed him my slide rule.
  • LoopyBytelooseLoopyByteloose Posts: 12,537
    edited 2012-09-10 06:49
    Anybody want to buy a nearly new abacus? I picked one up when I first came to Taiwan in 1994, but now that all the cell phones and computers have calculators included, it is rather neglected.

    I'd even trade it for a slide rule, or an HP RPM calculator.

    Does anyone really bother to do number cruching outside of a spreadsheet anymore?
  • Mark_TMark_T Posts: 1,981
    edited 2012-09-10 11:46
    erco wrote: »
    Much better than fumbling with that silly smartphone app on your bench. I may need two.

    Oh that fully featured scientific calculator app which retains state, has configurable keys, has history list, optional RPN mode, screen readable in low light, can be upgraded, always to hand, free?
  • ercoerco Posts: 20,259
    edited 2012-09-10 12:51
    Mark_T wrote: »
    Oh that fully featured scientific calculator app which retains state, has configurable keys, has history list, optional RPN mode, screen readable in low light, can be upgraded, always to hand, free?

    That's the one! :)
  • schillschill Posts: 741
    edited 2012-09-11 17:28
    erco wrote: »
    I still have my HP-41CV somewhere, and numerous others. But for a daily beater, try to beat this for the price!

    I've still got my 41CX, but I'm afraid to use it since I don't want it to break. It's still my favorite calculator - fit very nicely in the hand among other things.

    These days, I usually turn to an RPN calculator on my phone or an HP 35s.
  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    edited 2012-09-11 23:16
    Despite everything I have said about calculators in school. When I was 21 I really wanted a TI-59. It was a lot more than I could afford. A few years back I picked one up for 10 Euros. After extracting the rotten battery from it, It all still works, even the magnetic card reader.http://www.ti59.com/

  • LoopyBytelooseLoopyByteloose Posts: 12,537
    edited 2012-09-12 01:22
    I wore out the keyboards on two HP-41CVs before they stopped producing them. They were very handy for construction estimating - especially when your company president hated and distrusted PCs.

    Every two or three days I has a new project to prepare quantity takeoffs and bids.

    Years earlier, I did takeoff estimating with an adding machine and a slide rule for multiplication (and the mechanical multiply feature was way too slow.)

    Everything changed with Visicalc and a good hard disk.

    I have an HP 50g now, sitting right here on my desk - but it isn't as nice as the HP 41CV. The graphics and other features make it over the top complex. I don't need the graphics, but RPN makes possible living without a paper tape for verification.

    Some people absolutely refuse to learn RPN and are quite loyal to TI calculators. Once you master RPN, it is difficult to bother with the 'conventional' tedium. And you can actually begin to learn Forth.

    HP is laying off 29,000 employees now. I really am beginning to think the digital age is coming to an end. The world is seeking a new paradigm for economic growth and people are beginning to grow weary of their gadgets not giving them economic security.
  • softconsoftcon Posts: 217
    edited 2012-09-12 08:11
    Actually, surprisingly enough, when I was in school, especially elementary and junior high, talking calculators didn't exist, so an abacus was the calculating machine of choice. I was so good at it, I could (9 times out of 10) beat folks doing the same problem on paper. My 7th grade math teacher used to arrange the desks in squares, and play math hockey, with each group of desks getting a math problem, first group to get it (two desks facing each direction) would then pass the "puck" to the next set of four in the direction that group was facing. After the first set of problems were offered, I was placed in the goal position, because I was so much faster than everyone else. I'd have the answer, and most folks had just began actually doing the calculations, since it took time to set it up on paper in the first place. Being the only blind student in the class certainly made for interesting times.
    Of course, an abacus won't help if you don't know how to work the problem (twice problems got past me because I didn't know what the formulas were to calculate the answers).
    But, it was fun, and proved an abacus *could* beat pen and paper. In fact, I got to the point where I could do rather complex math in my head, (like multiplying multiple 4+ digit numbers) simply by picturing an abacus in my head, and working out the problems on it mentally moving the beads around until I had the answer. Of course, I'm out of practice, and can't do that anymore, but it sure was a nice trick during math class in highschool. :)
    (showing work was always a problem for me because of that) heh.
  • LoopyBytelooseLoopyByteloose Posts: 12,537
    edited 2012-09-12 08:22
    @softcon
    If you want, send me a mailing address in a private message and I will send you my abacus. They work as good as any modern calculator and don't require batteries.

    I am just surprised at how technology has retired so many excellent tools.
  • softconsoftcon Posts: 217
    edited 2012-09-14 16:16
    The one I used in school was called the cranmer abacus, it had 13 rows of beads, with a devider in the middle, 4 beads on bottom, and just 1 on top. This represented 4 1s, and a 5, so each column could count to 9 by moving the beads up or down to put them next to the middle bar. (1s column was all the way to the right, and trillions to the left) There's loads of different kinds though. At one point, I had an abacus that was supposed to be a paper weight, it was a little tiny thing, made out of plastic, set into a marble base, and it had only 8 columns. The interesting thing about it was that it had 2 beads on top, and 5 on the bottom. I was confused by how to use this abacus, until I showed it to a friend of mine one day who was also a computer person. I explained what the beads were, and how they worked, and he made a connection I didn't. heh, He said, "Oh cool, it's a hexadecimal abacus"
    And, after that, I wasn't confused by it anymore. :)
    I'm sure that wasn't the true intent of the thing, but it sure did make things easier for me translating between decimal and hex after that. :)
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