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1st real interview

Jay KickliterJay Kickliter Posts: 446
edited 2012-08-28 01:16 in General Discussion
After years of working jobs that only required no recent felonies, I've finally finished school and have an interview. I'm headed out to Colorado Springs this week for it. Does anyone have advice for a first timer? I know there's plenty of general information out there, but I'm looking for some tips from electrical engineers. This company develops satcom related products. I'm probably not the smartest new-grad they're going to interview, but I have lot going for me.

Thanks

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  • mindrobotsmindrobots Posts: 6,506
    edited 2012-08-27 06:13
    I haven't interviewed in 25 years but.....

    I listen to The Amp Hour with Chris Gammel and Dave Jones and they both have said they like to see someone show up with some projects they've completed. It shows you can actually do something and have practical skills beyond your book learning. It's also a great way to start conversation if you're able to talk about your project and some of the challenges you had to overcome in finishing it.

    Good luck! From your posts here, you seem to have a lot more going for you than the typical "new grad".
  • ZootZoot Posts: 2,227
    edited 2012-08-27 07:27
    Having been on both sides of hiring (interviewing and being interviewed), I can say that, while it may sound cliched, be yourself. Nobody wants a phony. When we were interviewing prospective hirees for what were essentially technical positions, what we looked for was people who were honest about their strengths and their weaknesses, as well as people who seemed comfortable in their own skin. These were the hirees more likely to stop and ask questions before a project got flubbed, who were able to take critique without taking it as personal criticism, etc. We also looked for unfeigned enthusiasm for the work in general.

    I would also include your online activity at these (and other?) forums -- trading ideas and info with your peers in a given field of expertise is one sign of a professional. It may not be the same as attending four conferences a year, but the total hours add up...
  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    edited 2012-08-27 07:55
    I'm sure you are the kind of chap who does this anyway but some of the best interview advice I had came from my old maths prof when he said.

    "Be confident, look them straight in the eyes and shake them firmly by the hand".

    Looking back I see that some of my most successful interviews involved a lot of discussion about anything other than the job at hand.
    Often it's your attitude, personal skills and such that are as important as your technical know how.
  • ZootZoot Posts: 2,227
    edited 2012-08-27 08:12
    Heater. wrote: »
    a lot of discussion about anything other than the job at hand

    Absolutely. My first real job I was surprised by how much of the interview we discussed music, skiing/snowboarding, design in general, etc. I realized much later that they were trying to get a sense of me as a person, how I might fit into the team, and so forth. Skills can always be enhanced through training and experience; it is harder to remake somebody's personality :)
  • davejamesdavejames Posts: 4,047
    edited 2012-08-27 08:32
    ...well...since you asked...

    Have some idea about what the target company does, and what markets it addresses.
    Fit your discussions to their requirements...meaning, being an ace at trimming bycycle wheels may have no relation to the job opening.
    If possible, show some activity in a related field (magazines read, conferences/seminars/training attended, hobbies).

    As the others have said, be confident, informed, properly attired.

    Much success!
  • ercoerco Posts: 20,259
    edited 2012-08-27 10:12
    Lots of great info already given here. On the web, there's no shortage of what NOT to do during an interview: http://search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A0oGdS_ppTtQKDUANHhXNyoA?p=interview%20killer%20mistakes&fr2=sb-top&fr=yfp-t-701

    As far as what to DO, I'd push ability, flexibility, experience, integrity, understanding deadlines, responsibility, confidence to work solo, and adaptability to be a team player. If you can cite some examples of your ability to get a tough job done on time under adverse conditions without freaking out, that's a huge plus.

    AFAIK, being a whiz at trueing bicycle wheels can't hurt your chances. :)
  • Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi)Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi) Posts: 23,514
    edited 2012-08-27 10:48
    Jay,

    I've never interviewed for a job ('never had a real career-type job that required one), and I've never interviewed anyone seeking a job, so please take this with a grain of salt. But I think if I were going to hire someone fresh out of school, my first concern would not be, "Why do you want this job?", but "Why do you want any job?" IOW, what motivates you to work besides needing a living wage? Can I count on you to take a real interest in your projects with an eye on growing the company? As with any marketing effort, emphasize the benefits (what's the advantage for my company in hiring you), not just the features (e.g. your degree and past experience).

    But still, I've read The Perfect Storm, and if I saw "rescue swimming" on someone's r
  • RickInTexasRickInTexas Posts: 124
    edited 2012-08-27 12:18
    Think in terms of the company's perspective. From a recent grad they will be looking for a good learner, enthusiastic and reliable. Relax, be yourself; don't worry about being qualified, based on your posts here and your graduation status, you are!

    Dale Carnegie's classic "How to Win Friends and Influence People" is a great read for anyone in dealing with people in all areas of life. Don't be thrown by the title, it is not sneaky manipulation but genuinely good in it's win-win approach.
    Six Ways to Make People Like You
    Become genuinely interested in other people.
    Smile.
    Remember that a person's name is, to that person, the sweetest and most important sound in any language.
    Be a good listener. Encourage others to talk about themselves.
    Talk in terms of the other person's interest.
    Make the other person feel important – and do it sincerely.

    Also, aren't you a licensed radio amateur? This demonstrates your passion for the field and shows that your not just in engineering cuz' you thought it'd be a good gig.
  • User NameUser Name Posts: 1,451
    edited 2012-08-27 13:37
    Jay,

    Exchanging NYC for Colorado Springs is a fantastic move in the right direction, imho. While you're in the area, drive, hike, or ride to the top of Pikes Peak. It's a whole different world.

    ¡Buena suerte!

    p.s. Zoot's first post nailed it. The guy who hired me for my first professional position later told me that the reason he selected me over the other candidates was because I asked questions about what they were doing and how they were doing it. Nothing staged on my part - I simply wanted to know.
  • RickInTexasRickInTexas Posts: 124
    edited 2012-08-27 13:46
    User Name wrote: »
    Jay,

    Exchanging NYC for Colorado Springs is a fantastic move in the right direction, imho. While you're in the area, drive, hike, or ride to the top of Pikes Peak. It's a whole different world.

    ¡Buena suerte!

    p.s. Zoot's first post nailed it. The guy who hired me for my first professional position later told me that the reason he selected me over the other candidates was because I asked questions about what they were doing and how they were doing it. Nothing staged on my part - I simply wanted to know.

    Great point. Better yet, research the company and ask informed questions. Sat com sounds very interesting so feigning interest should not be an issue.
  • GadgetmanGadgetman Posts: 2,436
    edited 2012-08-27 14:00
    Just one point...
    Dress properly.

    Not necessarily in a 3 piece suit, but showing a 'plumber's crack' or the top of your underwear(not even if it's Kalvin Klein) is bound to antagonise anyone who cares a bit about looks.

    I work in the Norwegian version of the DMV, and I know for a fact that otherwise qualified people have been given the 'I'm sorry, but after consideration, you're not the one we're looking for' message after showing up in torn jeans, punk hairdo, excessive face-iron or similar.
    (Yes, I wear jeans at work, and walk around in Army Boots. My "God is Busy, Can I help?" T-shirt, with a drawing of the horned one has caused giggles in the halls... Even more than my "OS X, I've upped my standard, up yours" T-shirt... But everything is whole and clean. And I definitely didn't wear that during my interview... Then it was sailor shoes, black jeans, fleece sweater. Shoes were polished, jeans were new. No stone/acid/cement mixer used in the making.)
    So, dress properly, but in a style that you would feel comfortable in.
  • Jay KickliterJay Kickliter Posts: 446
    edited 2012-08-27 14:47
    It's funny, I listened to that same episode. Since I can't bring anything big I'm just going to bring a couple small boards I've made.
    mindrobots wrote: »
    I haven't interviewed in 25 years but.....

    I listen to The Amp Hour with Chris Gammel and Dave Jones and they both have said they like to see someone show up with some projects they've completed. It shows you can actually do something and have practical skills beyond your book learning. It's also a great way to start conversation if you're able to talk about your project and some of the challenges you had to overcome in finishing it.

    Good luck! From your posts here, you seem to have a lot more going for you than the typical "new grad".
  • Jay KickliterJay Kickliter Posts: 446
    edited 2012-08-27 14:49
    I can't wait to leave here. I haven't been in colorado in about 12 years, but it's my favorite state. I was sitting her applying to jobs in New York, Texas, and California. Then I remembered how much I love CO. I hope I get this job.
    User Name wrote: »
    Jay,

    Exchanging NYC for Colorado Springs is a fantastic move in the right direction, imho. While you're in the area, drive, hike, or ride to the top of Pikes Peak. It's a whole different world.

    ¡Buena suerte!

    p.s. Zoot's first post nailed it. The guy who hired me for my first professional position later told me that the reason he selected me over the other candidates was because I asked questions about what they were doing and how they were doing it. Nothing staged on my part - I simply wanted to know.
  • Jay KickliterJay Kickliter Posts: 446
    edited 2012-08-27 14:51
    Thanks. I was wondering about that. I'm thin, and have a nice looking suit I was planning on wearing, but wasn't sure if that's overkill for an engineering position. But I tend overdress for stuff. I'd feel weird showing up for an interview in anything other than a suit.
    Gadgetman wrote: »
    Just one point...
    Dress properly.

    Not necessarily in a 3 piece suit, but showing a 'plumber's crack' or the top of your underwear(not even if it's Kalvin Klein) is bound to antagonise anyone who cares a bit about looks.

    I work in the Norwegian version of the DMV, and I know for a fact that otherwise qualified people have been given the 'I'm sorry, but after consideration, you're not the one we're looking for' message after showing up in torn jeans, punk hairdo, excessive face-iron or similar.
    (Yes, I wear jeans at work, and walk around in Army Boots. My "God is Busy, Can I help?" T-shirt, with a drawing of the horned one has caused giggles in the halls... Even more than my "OS X, I've upped my standard, up yours" T-shirt... But everything is whole and clean. And I definitely didn't wear that during my interview... Then it was sailor shoes, black jeans, fleece sweater. Shoes were polished, jeans were new. No stone/acid/cement mixer used in the making.)
    So, dress properly, but in a style that you would feel comfortable in.
  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    edited 2012-08-28 01:16
    mindrobots,
    ..they like to see someone show up with some projects they've completed. It shows you can actually do something and have practical skills beyond your book learning.

    To continue on what I said above, back in 1981 I did not have a project to show physically and there was no internet to show off project pages back then but in one successfull interview for an electronics position we spent the most time discussing, gues what, a hot air engine I had built and my plans for building a rotary hot air engine.

    P.S. At the time I had never heard of a rotary hot air engine and I never did get to build the thing. Once I got the job there was no time anymore:) I notice now there are many rotary hot air engine builders around the net. Mine would have looked like this http://www.emachineshop.com/machine-shop/New-Simplified-Heat-Engine/page150.html

    P.P.S. Good luck Jay.
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