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The QuickStart Pin Finder

Matt GillilandMatt Gilliland Posts: 1,406
edited 2012-09-14 11:11 in General Discussion
So I'm way more of hardware guy than software. Therefore making circuits easier to "wire-up" is always on my mind.

However, in this case I was beat-to-the-punch by a good friend who came up with this idea...

It's called the "QuickStart Pin Finder" -

It slides over and clamps onto the female header. When you're done bread-boarding the circuit, you simply spread the "tangs" and slide it off.

It's cheap...er, inexpensive! And quite useful perhaps.

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It "snaps" on, so it doesn't fall off (even if upside-down)...
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...and then you just spread the "pinchers", and it slides right off (even after you've put jumper wires into the header).
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So what do you think, should we make these available? Do they enhance the QS's usability factor?
-MattG
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  • skylightskylight Posts: 1,915
    edited 2012-07-02 11:21
    yes definitely i'll buy one!
  • Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi)Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi) Posts: 23,514
    edited 2012-07-02 11:28
    Hey Matt,

    'Sorry for not getting back to you sooner about the samples Ken brought me. I like them. They have two advantages over labels that stick to the sides of the connector:
    1. They can be read from the top.
    2. When stacked two-high (see photo), they're almost level with the top of the connector, eliminating any parallax errors. (This is also an advantage over printing the pin IDs directly on the board.)


    attachment.php?attachmentid=93893&d=1341253553

    They do seem a bit bulky, but the advantages far outweigh the bulkiness. Initially, I thought, "Why not enclose both ends?" But then I realized that with one end open, it can be removed without disturbing any wires that might be plugged into the connector.

    In summary, I think you have a winner!

    -Phil
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  • ercoerco Posts: 20,259
    edited 2012-07-02 11:32
    Unless it can go on backwards...
  • mindrobotsmindrobots Posts: 6,506
    edited 2012-07-02 11:43
    Super dooper as long as you don't have any pins soldered into those empty holes on your board - but then if you're adding pins, you ought to have stuff rememberized!!

    Phil's stickers are a great option.
    This is another great solution.
  • skylightskylight Posts: 1,915
    edited 2012-07-02 11:46
    I'm not sure if they have gone into full production yet but if they had a handle or extensions on the end/s that you could squeeze to open the jaws that would be great.
  • GordonMcCombGordonMcComb Posts: 3,366
    edited 2012-07-02 11:49
    Looking good. Be sure to let Stephanie know when this is available on the shopping cart, so it can be added to the KickStart pages.

    BTW, was there a reason you did the U-end on the side with the extra +V/Gnd taps, and not the other side? I've got soldered-on headers there on mine, and they'll obstruct the plastic, even if the piece is elevated.

    -- Gordon
  • Matt GillilandMatt Gilliland Posts: 1,406
    edited 2012-07-03 10:45
    They do seem a bit bulky, but the advantages far outweigh the bulkiness.
    Couple reasons: thinner material is not quite as strong, we didn't want to stock another raw material for a "give-away" type item. This is made from material we already stock for other products.
    Unless it can go on backwards...
    It can, but if it does then it will be "propped up" onto the larger components on that side, which kinda signifies to the user that it's not on "the right way".
    Super dooper as long as you don't have any pins soldered into those empty holes on your board
    Right you are! However, it does have enough room to use two sets of the power pins (not all four, until you remove it).

    If it were reversed (top for bottom - clamp side "up", is that better? All power pins would be available, but it would not "sit flat" on the QS board. Which is worse/better?

    -MattG
  • PublisonPublison Posts: 12,366
    edited 2012-07-03 10:52
    Very nice Matt!

    Could you also do another run of the Inventor's Wands" ? I traveled all the way the Makerfaire NY to get one, but, alas UPS lost them.

    Jim
  • prof_brainoprof_braino Posts: 4,313
    edited 2012-07-04 15:17
    If these are "give aways", please post the STL files so's I might print some on my Prusa, and give them out to all the folks to whom I gave Quickstarts :)
  • PublisonPublison Posts: 12,366
    edited 2012-07-04 15:42
    If these are "give aways", please post the STL files so's I might print some on my Prusa, and give them out to all the folks to whom I gave Quickstarts :)

    Will the laser cutter files that Parallax uses work on the Prusa?
  • jim N8RHQjim N8RHQ Posts: 85
    edited 2012-07-04 17:26
    I like it and would like to buy one when they are available.

    jim
  • prof_brainoprof_braino Posts: 4,313
    edited 2012-07-05 14:16
    Publison wrote: »
    Will the laser cutter files that Parallax uses work on the Prusa?

    As a starting point, they sure will. They also might work on a laser cutter, but I'm not the expert here.
  • Matt GillilandMatt Gilliland Posts: 1,406
    edited 2012-07-05 21:15
    Could you also do another run of the Inventor's Wands" ? I traveled all the way the Makerfaire NY to get one, but, alas UPS lost them.
    Wow Pub! Thanks for the reminder :-)
    UPS found them, and I got the whole box on my shelf right now. We never did turn it into a product. I thought it would be a good "buy $75 worth of stuff and get a free Inventor's Wand" perk.

    What do you all think? Should we make it available for purchase as well (not you Pub, you'll get a complimentary one for bringing it back to my finite little mind).

    Heck, it's got the resistor color code, drill and tap sizes, and Isaac's 3 laws of robotics emblazened right where you need 'em.

    -MattG
  • Matt GillilandMatt Gilliland Posts: 1,406
    edited 2012-07-05 21:17
    If these are "give aways", please post the STL files so's I might print some on my Prusa, and give them out to all the folks to whom I gave Quickstarts
    Hey Brain-
    I can post the .dxf's if that'll work for ya?
    -MattG
  • WhitWhit Posts: 4,191
    edited 2012-07-06 07:25
    I want at least two of each - and of anything else that Parallax makes! Money holds me back at times, but I think I can spring for these!
  • dmagnusdmagnus Posts: 271
    edited 2012-07-06 07:30
    Yes! Me too! At least a couple each.
  • photomankcphotomankc Posts: 943
    edited 2012-07-06 10:31
    I'd really like just a set of stick on labels for the headers personally. This is neat but I've been printing labels off and using them very successfully and I figure that has got to be less expensive. That said, this would be helpful as well but it's one more thing that I can lose on my bench.
  • Chris SavageChris Savage Parallax Engineering Posts: 14,406
    edited 2012-07-06 11:09
    Someone mentioned about the end being closed and in the original prototypes shown below these were a loop of sorts. Even then I thought they were very useful.
    QS Pin Finder Prototype.jpg

    (CLICK TO ENLARGE)

    But that just goes to show you how the sharing of ideas can lead to product improvement before we ever begin the production run of the actual product. Feedback from customers like yourselves has helped us improve on several of our product offerings.

    When Matt first gave me the prototype units above I loved them. But what they reminded me of is something called a Wrap-ID. Some of you veteran engineers/hackers will know what I am talking about. For those that don't, back in the late 80s/early 90s wire-wrapping was still a common way to prototype microcontroller and CPU-based projects due to the high cost of PCB production back then. The problem is that when you flip the breadboard over to wrap the pins everything is upside down, so the pins are sort of backwards. These Wrap-IDs (shown below, yes I still have some) made it easy to see the correct pins numbers from the bottom side of the board while wrapping dozens of pin-to-pin connections. The blank space allowed you to use a sharpie and write in the IC name.
    Wrap-ID.jpg

    (CLICK TO ENLARGE)

    Here's a board that was wire-wrapped using Wrap-ID and has a Z80 CPU, 8255PIA and numerous support chips (circa 1991). You can't see the stuff underneath in the photo, but maybe can appreciate how much these guys helped on a board like this which was wired upside down. Again, I think the QuickStart Pin Finder will be just as useful for those experimenting with their QuickStart Boards. I know I will be using it on mine.
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  • Oldbitcollector (Jeff)Oldbitcollector (Jeff) Posts: 8,091
    edited 2012-07-06 11:36
    Seems it wouldn't take much to create a "printable" paper version of this tool. Should a .PDF be a good way to insure that something like this would print in the correct size every time?

    OBC
  • Chris SavageChris Savage Parallax Engineering Posts: 14,406
    edited 2012-07-06 12:54
    Seems it wouldn't take much to create a "printable" paper version of this tool. Should a .PDF be a good way to insure that something like this would print in the correct size every time?

    OBC

    I'm sure a paper version would be easy to make. I tried that with the Wrap-IDs because I didn't have enough. Mine weren't nearly as easy to make (all those holes) or read. A paper version of the QS Pin Finder wouldn't stay put on the board if moving it around I would think, but may get you by in a pinch.
  • LoopyBytelooseLoopyByteloose Posts: 12,537
    edited 2012-07-06 13:11
    Cut a piece of card board to a standard letter size and feed it through a laser printer. I'd use a saltine cracker box or Ritz cracker box.
  • W9GFOW9GFO Posts: 4,010
    edited 2012-07-06 13:28
    Hey Brain-
    I can post the .dxf's if that'll work for ya?
    -MattG

    Please do post the dxf, I'd like to make one.
  • Duane DegnDuane Degn Posts: 10,588
    edited 2012-07-06 14:58
    Seems it wouldn't take much to create a "printable" paper version of this tool.

    I think "cavelamb" (I'm not sure if I got his name right. Has a paper version he's shared on the forum.

    As for the plastic version goes, how about cutting a notch in one end of the Inverter Wand and make a two in one device?

    I'm personally a fan of stickers for the QuickStart. Like Gordon, I populate my Vdd and Vss holes. I usually have pins in holes 39 and 40 which I use to plug in a battery pack, so this particular Pin Finder wouldn't be very useful to me.
  • Chris SavageChris Savage Parallax Engineering Posts: 14,406
    edited 2012-07-06 22:22
    Duane Degn wrote: »
    I'm personally a fan of stickers for the QuickStart. Like Gordon, I populate my Vdd and Vss holes. I usually have pins in holes 39 and 40 which I use to plug in a battery pack, so this particular Pin Finder wouldn't be very useful to me.

    We actually talked about a sticker instead. When using stickers they leave a gummy residue which is hard to remove in the confined space if you should decide later to solder to the pads below the connector. Personally I was againt the sticker idea and in favor of Matt's plastic unit, mainly for that reason.
  • Matt GillilandMatt Gilliland Posts: 1,406
    edited 2012-07-06 23:12
    See? This is why I like the Forums...

    So, you can't see it yet because I'm home and don't happen to have a spare Laser cutter in my garage, but...

    ...I've made modifications - based on your input - to the Pin Finder:

    The ends are reversed, so the clippy part is now near the Vdd/Vss unpopulated header area. It's been trimmed such that you can access all holes on the header, and the clips are still able to do their job. The Fat End is now at the top and is the direction in which you remove the Pin Finder from the Quick Start.

    Getting closer to the "best of all worlds"...Pics to come Monday :thumb:
    -MattG
  • Duane DegnDuane Degn Posts: 10,588
    edited 2012-07-07 00:12
    We actually talked about a sticker instead. When using stickers they leave a gummy residue which is hard to remove in the confined space if you should decide later to solder to the pads below the connector. Personally I was againt the sticker idea and in favor of Matt's plastic unit, mainly for that reason.

    I wasn't suggesting putting labels directly on the PCB.

    I was thinking of something like Phil's nice labels for the QuickStart header. My version of a sticker set (made before Phil sent me a set of his nice labels) is on the right which I made using a Brother label maker.

    attachment.php?attachmentid=94012&d=1341644255

    Besides adding labels and headers on the Vdd/Vss holes, I also add a pair of male headers on Vin and Vss holes so I can plug in a battery pack.

    I'm not suggesting the Pin Finder is a bad idea, I just personally like stickers on my (many) QuickStart boards. I often wonder how people get by without stickers on their QuickStart boards.
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  • prof_brainoprof_braino Posts: 4,313
    edited 2012-07-07 10:08
    Hey Brain-
    I can post the .dxf's if that'll work for ya?
    -MattG

    dfx can work, that will get me going!
  • W9GFOW9GFO Posts: 4,010
    edited 2012-07-07 16:10
    I took Phil's version and made some changes.

    PDF attached.

    attachment.php?attachmentid=94024&d=1341702425

    quickstart_clip.pdf
  • Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi)Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi) Posts: 23,514
    edited 2012-07-07 16:18
    Rich,

    Cool! What material is it made from? 'Looks like laser-engraved MakerBot output.

    -Phil
  • W9GFOW9GFO Posts: 4,010
    edited 2012-07-07 16:20
    Thanks, it is 1/4" white cast acrylic.
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