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  • ratronicratronic Posts: 1,451
    edited 2012-04-17 08:14
    More knowledge = more accomplishment (good or bad)
  • ElectricAyeElectricAye Posts: 4,561
    edited 2012-04-17 11:10
    ...the sharing is the goal.

    Sharing is definitely the new cool.
    I've got some old toothbrushes I don't brush with anymore. First come, first serve.
  • Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi)Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi) Posts: 23,514
    edited 2012-04-17 11:17
    I've got some old toothbrushes I don't brush with anymore. First come, first serve.
    Sold! Browser has plaque issues, and the brush I use for scrubbing flux off of PCBs is toast. I'll email you my shipping address.

    -Phil
  • ElectricAyeElectricAye Posts: 4,561
    edited 2012-04-17 12:12
    Sold! Browser has plaque issues, and the brush I use for scrubbing flux off of PCBs is toast....

    Wait a sec. But I thought toast was the new loofha.

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  • RiJoRiRiJoRi Posts: 157
    edited 2012-04-17 12:18
    Don't forget:
    Knowledge is power.
    Power corrupts.

    Just saw this today!
    --Rich

    BTW, does absolute knowledge corrupt absolutely???
  • prof_brainoprof_braino Posts: 4,313
    edited 2012-04-17 12:37
    Sharing is definitely the new cool.
    I've got some old toothbrushes I don't brush with anymore. First come, first serve.

    Willingness to sharing does not guarantee value. Nor is it new, although some appear not to have learned it when the rest of us did.
    But some have argued that sharing knowledge is the tool that allows humans to be the dominant species on this planet.
  • prof_brainoprof_braino Posts: 4,313
    edited 2012-04-17 12:39
    RiJoRi wrote: »
    BTW, does absolute knowledge corrupt absolutely???

    I don't know, but I'm not sure I want to share what ever it was that corrupted ElectricAye's toothbrushes!
  • bill190bill190 Posts: 769
    edited 2012-04-17 15:27
    Actually knowledge does equal power...

    Case 1.
    My microwave oven quit working.
    I saw the display was not on and that it had no power.
    I had the knowledge that it was plugged into a GFCI outlet and that might be tripped.
    I pressed the reset button on the GFCI, then my microwave had "power"!

    Case 2.
    A friend called and said his lawnmower would not start - asked for help.
    I went to his house with my can of starting fluid.
    I sprayed the starting fluid into the air intake and it ran for a bit, then stopped.
    I therefore concluded with my knowledge that it was not getting gas and everything else was ok.
    I cleaned the fuel lines, reassembled, then with the fuel now able to flow, the lawnmower had "power"!

    There are plenty of pleas for help on the internet from those lacking knowledge of GFCI's and lawnmowers. These people's GFCI's and lawnmowers are powerless until someone with the knowledge comes along to help them.
  • prof_brainoprof_braino Posts: 4,313
    edited 2012-04-23 08:14
    I just saw the TED presentation by Tim Berners-Lee (He's the guy that came up with that web thing) on Next Web
    http://www.ted.com/talks/tim_berners_lee_on_the_next_web.html

    He says "linked data" is what's powerful. My interpretation is that this supports "knowledge does not equal power". The gist of the idea is that the more data that is available, and the more the data relations are available, the more beneficial or useful the data becomes. This might not catch on, but if your one that found his first idea useful, this might be something to watch. It seems "linked-data" is the next step.
  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    edited 2012-04-23 08:24
    Braino,
    "linked-data" is the next step.

    What? Isn't that what WWW is all about. Hyperlinks and all. You write something, I write something. If I was inspired by you I link back to your original writing. That is the academic world of citations implemented in the web as we know it.

    Anyway, Tim should be shot. He seems to have wasted a lot of my life chasing links around and around and around....:)

    Tim has a thing about the "semantic web", so far I think that is asking to much of normal humans to maintain or automated systems to understand.
  • prof_brainoprof_braino Posts: 4,313
    edited 2012-04-23 08:36
    Heater. wrote: »
    What? Isn't that what WWW is all about.

    No, its a bit different. There is another step between what's there now and what he's talking about.
    And yes, I think it has something to do with finding somebody smart to show some sense out of the data as well.

    http://www.ted.com/talks/hans_rosling_shows_the_best_stats_you_ve_ever_seen.html

    Minute 15:00

    How does that guy know how to look at all those numbers and figure out a way to make sense of it?
  • Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi)Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi) Posts: 23,514
    edited 2012-04-23 09:12
    The concept hasn't escaped the NSA or FBI. It's what they call "connecting the dots."

    -Phil
  • JordanCClarkJordanCClark Posts: 198
    edited 2012-04-23 10:15
    Been reading over this thread, and mulling it over. While I'm comparatively new here-- though a longtime lurker-- I just couldn't let this topic pass. So, ready or not, wanted or not, here's my take:

    Knowledge used to be power. When Francis Bacon wrote the whole "knowledge is power" thing (back in what, 16th century, or thereabouts), knowledge was powerful, because there was so few that had it and so little was known. Now, knowledge is ubiquitous, indexed, searchable, cross-referenced and worth a lot less-- especially if I can Google it.

    What has always been more valuable-- and only mentioned once in passing, and otherwise skirted around in this thread-- is wisdom. Taking that knowledge, along with experience and understanding about how things work. It's what lets us make decisions and give advice, and get to a preferred outcome for a given circumstance. Wisdom is the insight that lets us diagnose a circumstance, even if there's not much information to be had, and then be able to say what is wrong, missing, or needs to be improved. Oh! And generally be right about it! :smile:

    Or, knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit. Wisdom is not putting it in your fruit salad.

    Regards,
  • Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi)Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi) Posts: 23,514
    edited 2012-04-23 10:22
    knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit. Wisdom is not putting it in your fruit salad.
    :)

    -Phil
  • prof_brainoprof_braino Posts: 4,313
    edited 2012-04-23 11:08
    knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit. Wisdom is not putting it in your fruit salad.

    Excellent point, but this is an example of "conventional wisdom", and not really what we want and need.

    http://www.not-just-recipes.com/tomato-fruit-salad.html

    The links show that knowledge is NOT ubiquitous, data remains silo-ed. This is that source of our problems, not a solution.

    Wisdom seems to relative and subjective, and not quantifiable.

    The Roslin guy has a skill that allows him to look at data from a perspective that might reveal something we did not know. That is the skill that could be useful.
  • ElectricAyeElectricAye Posts: 4,561
    edited 2012-04-23 11:16
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    Wisdom seems tooooooo relative and subjective, and not quantifiable.....

    Interesting way of blowing off an important human characteristic.
  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    edited 2012-04-23 11:58
    In most of the civilized world we have the notion of patents along with laws to back them up.
    So clearly the law says if you know how to do a thing you have the power to profit from it and not anyone else.
    I leave it as an exercise to the reader to determine if that is a good system or not.
  • prof_brainoprof_braino Posts: 4,313
    edited 2012-04-23 12:29
    Interesting way of blowing off an important human characteristic.

    Wisdom said the Inquisition should burn witches. Makes me question wisdom.
    In most of the civilized world we have the notion of patents along with laws to back them up.
    So clearly the law says if you know how to do a thing you have the power to profit from it and not anyone else.

    We, that's kind of the crux here. Industries with the heaviest protection, in the name of nurturing innovation, are shown to have the less innovation than industries with the least protection and show the most innovation and are are many time more profitable (if I read the graphs correctly). That set of laws you describe are the exception, and are limited to only a few select fields. (And those laws are paid for by individuals that dominate those fields).

    Just because there's a law doesn't mean its sensible, or enforceable. Most importantly, the way of thinking that created our problems is probably not the way of thinking that will fix our problems.

    Maybe I just watch TED.com too much. I should get a hobby.
  • JordanCClarkJordanCClark Posts: 198
    edited 2012-04-23 12:41
    Y'all do know the fruit salad thing was a joke, right? Although the fact that you googled the tomato fruit salad to provide a link rather emphasizes my point. Thanks!

    The Roslin guy has a skill-- quantifiable or no, that's wisdom in action. The knowledge / experience / understanding / insight thing I mentioned. Sometimes, I just write really good stuff...:lol:
  • JordanCClarkJordanCClark Posts: 198
    edited 2012-04-23 12:48
    Wisdom said the Inquisition should burn witches. Makes me question wisdom.

    The inquisition was made up of people trying to keep their power. Really had nothing to do with wisdom.

    I don't necessarily disagree with the patent system, although I'd say that it should be limited to things verifiable developed and not to "intellectual property" items. That just gets too convoluted to follow at times.
  • ElectricAyeElectricAye Posts: 4,561
    edited 2012-04-23 13:28
    Wisdom said the Inquisition should burn witches.....

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