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The Prime Directive

HumanoidoHumanoido Posts: 5,770
edited 2012-03-25 11:20 in General Discussion
The Prime Directive

constructive ideas and intellectual discussion in (through pointing the epic telescope) finding pathways to gain access to the End of the Universe EOU condition and potentially break through the limiting Cosmic Barrier to the other side. How do you punch a hole when you can only view the light? This may also be accomplished in indirect ways, i.e. riding the light enabled surf of lensing gravity waves or mapping what is detectibly known to determine the shape of the undetectable unknown.

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  • bsnutbsnut Posts: 521
    edited 2012-03-21 22:54
    Interesting. I see the Big Brain is boldly going where the Big Brain hasn't gone before.
  • LoopyBytelooseLoopyByteloose Posts: 12,537
    edited 2012-03-22 10:46
    OMG, too.o.o..... many-y-y lattes...........................

    I thought the Prime Directive was that payday is Friday, every Friday.

    Meanwhile, I am having a great deal of trouble with the fact that photos have mass and the same mass as electrons. What is light? Is it a liberated electron that begins to vibrate as a visible electromagnetic wave. And are invisible electromagnetic waves just invisible light?

    If so, they the event horizon would be sucking in photons and not directly sucking in light. That would imply that black holes are all about gravity and not really much else. But whe a black hole becomes a super black hole and sucks in the whole known cosmos, will we get another Big Bang?
  • ElectricAyeElectricAye Posts: 4,561
    edited 2012-03-22 14:42
    Humanoido wrote: »
    ... mapping what is detectibly known to determine the shape of the undetectable unknown.

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  • User NameUser Name Posts: 1,451
    edited 2012-03-22 15:28
    Prime Directive or Psilocybin?
  • HumanoidoHumanoido Posts: 5,770
    edited 2012-03-22 21:27
    OMG, too.o.o..... many-y-y lattes...........................

    I thought the Prime Directive was that payday is Friday, every Friday.

    Meanwhile, I am having a great deal of trouble with the fact that photos have mass and the same mass as electrons. What is light? Is it a liberated electron that begins to vibrate as a visible electromagnetic wave. And are invisible electromagnetic waves just invisible light?

    If so, they the event horizon would be sucking in photons and not directly sucking in light. That would imply that black holes are all about gravity and not really much else. But whe a black hole becomes a super black hole and sucks in the whole known cosmos, will we get another Big Bang?

    G: it just goes to show there are different prime directives for different purposes. Light can be invisible but it depends on which eyes we are referencing. For human eyes, we can shine ultraviolet light on an object and see a change in effects. But can we really see objects that emit ultraviolet and infrared light? No. Electricity and light are electromagnetic energy. We can use light to generate electricity and we can use electricity to generate light. In an optical journey, it's all about the light's pathway and the receiving eye. Regarding the black hole, we believe the universe was born from the inward influx big bang of matter created by a black hole which sucked out matter from the other end (a white hole in another universe).
  • ElectricAyeElectricAye Posts: 4,561
    edited 2012-03-22 22:11
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  • LoopyBytelooseLoopyByteloose Posts: 12,537
    edited 2012-03-23 00:23
    Okay, to restate.... Yes, Light and Electricity are energy --- but electrons and photons may merely be the 'mass manifestation' or the 'means of creation' of that energy.

    An electron that is happily orbiting about an atom doesn't really provide energy. And I suspect that a photon not scattered across space doesn't contribute to light.

    And so, with electricity we require an electromotive force. So with light, we might just also require a similar force - what is that called.

    Phtotons at rest are likely to stay at rest, right? Maybe they are actually electrons at rest that are not pushed beyond the electric forces of attraction and into being a light emitting plasma.

    Time for my next latte.
  • HumanoidoHumanoido Posts: 5,770
    edited 2012-03-23 06:10
    I was going to say that aunt sue may rest but light and photons do not. Then, I read about an experiment where the speed of light is brought to a stop in a matter known as the Bose Einstein Condensate set at a temperature of a few nano Kelvins above absolute 0.

    http://www.phschool.com/science/science_news/articles/light_stands_still.html

    Space is very cold and the light emitted from objects in deep space may well pass the proximity of zones near absolute zero, thus alterning the light. How do we detect these zones and how is the light altered? We already know, predicted by Einstein, that light is affected by passing a strong gravity field, proven by Lensing Objects observed in the Universe by astronomers. I didn't hear of any investigations of Universe light dealing with natural Bose Condensates or their discoveries. This may be a point of investigation, however, the Cosmic Microwave Background Radiation at every point in the Universe is at 3 degrees Kelvin so any objects located in the coldest zones will achieve a 2.7 deg. K. temperature over a great time of thermal equalization. It's currently believed that the Boomerang Nebula is the coldest place in the Universe harboring a temperature of 1 deg. K.
  • User NameUser Name Posts: 1,451
    edited 2012-03-23 08:06
    @ElectricAye: LMAO. What a great pic of Rumsfeld!
  • bsnutbsnut Posts: 521
    edited 2012-03-23 20:15
    User Name wrote: »
    @ElectricAye: LMAO. What a great pic of Rumsfeld!
    I have to agree. It's a great shot.
  • HumanoidoHumanoido Posts: 5,770
    edited 2012-03-24 00:04
    Frozen Light Apparently photons can freeze if the temperature is cold enough and the light will stick, and just stop. Perhaps a few of these sub K deg. Bose patches exist if they are insulated from the 3-deg. Microwave Cosmic radiation and if so, we can detect the effects of light. Let's say the light has gone Super Luminal, then hits a Bose Patch and freezes. Frozen light paths or travel tubes may contain the rear light transcending up to component that freezes and may either pass or not pass through it. If it passes, we may never know there is a frozen spot in the tube where light has stopped unless a litmus test is applied - knowing the luminosity of the source and then comparing it to the observed light intensity.
  • Dr_AculaDr_Acula Posts: 5,484
    edited 2012-03-24 04:47
    I note this in the Prime Directive
    Cost
    Exceeding one billion dollars
    Invoicing
    Primarily footed by NASA

    Now *that* is my kind of Prime Directive!

    I am a little confused though. You are looking for the end of the universe, but does not a telescope peer back to the beginning?
  • MicrocontrolledMicrocontrolled Posts: 2,461
    edited 2012-03-24 05:21
    I feel that trying to find the end of the universe is similar to when, hundreds of years ago, we were trying to find the edge of the earth.

    Did you seriously get that kind of funding from NASA? Pretty impressive, I have to say. I can't wait to see what comes out of this. Good luck, Humanado.
  • Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi)Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi) Posts: 23,514
    edited 2012-03-24 08:58
    Did you seriously get that kind of funding from NASA?
    Um, Micro ... *_*

    (That's okay, you're still young. :) )

    -Phil
  • ElectricAyeElectricAye Posts: 4,561
    edited 2012-03-24 10:47
    When you finally get to the end of the universe, how will you know it's actually the end?
    How will you know for certain that you haven't merely encountered an unknown unknown that has tricked you into thinking you're where you think you are?

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  • LoopyBytelooseLoopyByteloose Posts: 12,537
    edited 2012-03-24 11:14
    The end of the universe? Why am I still getting email?
  • MicrocontrolledMicrocontrolled Posts: 2,461
    edited 2012-03-24 18:39
    @Phil: Ok, if that wasn't obvious (which I thought it was), then I better start using [/sarcasm] tags.
    My point is, Humanado builds cool stuff that is very interesting, but his blog is very confusing unless you really concentrate on reading it. He's a bit of a dreamer, to say the least. Not like that's a bad thing, most great scientists and physicists were the same way. However, his blog is quite deceiving to the casual reader. It would be like, on my blog, if I wrote "I am now in partnership with the billion-dollar company Google, and I have access to millions of dollars worth of their servers and resources." when I really meant "I just signed up for a Gmail account". I try to be encouraging to Humanado and his projects, so sometimes I have to just go along. There is no doubt that what he is doing is quite impressive.
  • TtailspinTtailspin Posts: 1,326
    edited 2012-03-24 18:56
    I have no idea what you just said here, but, I am certain it bears repeating...
    Humanoido wrote: »
    Frozen Light Apparently photons can freeze if the temperature is cold enough and the light will stick, and just stop. Perhaps a few of these sub K deg. Bose patches exist if they are insulated from the 3-deg. Microwave Cosmic radiation and if so, we can detect the effects of light. Let's say the light has gone Super Luminal, then hits a Bose Patch and freezes. Frozen light paths or travel tubes may contain the rear light transcending up to component that freezes and may either pass or not pass through it. If it passes, we may never know there is a frozen spot in the tube where light has stopped unless a litmus test is applied - knowing the luminosity of the source and then comparing it to the observed light intensity.
  • ElectricAyeElectricAye Posts: 4,561
    edited 2012-03-24 19:39
    Humanoido wrote: »
    ...Apparently photons can freeze if the temperature is cold enough and the light will stick, and just stop.....

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  • HumanoidoHumanoido Posts: 5,770
    edited 2012-03-25 11:20
    Dr_Acula wrote: »
    You are looking for the end of the universe, but does not a telescope peer back to the beginning?

    Yes. :) However, in periods of time and no time, one Universe had to end so that another could begin. So are we truly looking at the beginning and the end of transition - if we look back far enough to the future, we will see the beginning or the end of time.

    Of course it's just semantics. If you were to hold a rope out straight and parallel and wanted to describe the two ends, you might refer to the left and right ends of the rope. The rope has two ends because the rope has two sides that each "end" or terminate.

    However, the end can constitute stoppage of object, when a motor is switched off, a set sun, a particular condition, program, even time. It can therefore refer to a place or position or dimension or time line or condition which has three sides, as an example, where the Universe exists, or where the Universe never existed, either before it was born or a time after it was born where it has boundary of extinction.

    So there are at least three ends to the Universe, the left end at a focal point before the birth of time, the right end at a focal point after the cessation of time, and the middle at which the Universe continues existence of time (any transitionary element can become an end).

    From time to time, the word edge is interchanged with the word end in describing a boundary. A boundary can be a transition, i.e. from something to nothing or nothing to something. This may not be a hard physical edge but rather one constituted by elements of time, empty space, froth, gravity, dimension, warp, lensing, bubble, light, dark, irradiated exposure, elementary particle dynamics, Heisenberg Uncertainly Principle, dark matter, quantum effects, time travel, calculus period of Lorenz Contraction, or even physics not yet invented.
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