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Can One Propeller Chip Think?

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  • idbruceidbruce Posts: 6,197
    edited 2012-02-13 01:11
    Humanoido

    How can a person possibly argue against that logic?

    Okay, so if the Propeller can think, is it possible for the Propeller to have improper thoughts (I will leave this open to imagination). And if so, what would be the best method of punishment for such improper thoughts? Perhaps some light punishment such as Grounding the offensive pins for a couple of weeks, or should it be severe such as erasing the EEPROM? There are important ramifications that must be considered.

    Bruce
  • pedwardpedward Posts: 1,642
    edited 2012-02-13 01:26
    It's thinking: Pull MY finger!
  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    edited 2012-02-13 01:51
    No. And neither can a million of them wired together.

    Or conversely yes. And so can a flip-flop, or NAND/NOR gate (XOR gates are especially clever) or just a single transistor. Indeed the humble mechanical light switch does a lot of thinking, it remembers to be on when I command it on and remembers to be off when I command it off.
  • RiJoRiRiJoRi Posts: 157
    edited 2012-02-13 07:00
    Given those definitions, any micro with a von Neumann architecture can be said to "think," with the exception of #3 insofar as I am not acquainted with the said program. And some Harvard architecture chips -- such as the 8051 family -- can be modified via hardware mods to be von Neumann machines.

    While I am not familiar with "Lerner" [sic], didn't the program Eliza "invent" questions?

    --Rich
  • mynet43mynet43 Posts: 644
    edited 2012-02-13 07:29
    If my little robot SEES a wall in front of it and DECIDES to turn to one side, based on the angle of attack, is that THINKING?

    Hmm...
  • HumanoidoHumanoido Posts: 5,770
    edited 2012-02-13 07:59
    mynet43 wrote: »
    If my little robot SEES a wall in front of it and DECIDES to turn to one side, based on the angle of attack, is that THINKING?
    I think its a good idea you treat your little robot with respect, considering its ability to make decisions AND attack!
  • TtailspinTtailspin Posts: 1,326
    edited 2012-02-13 08:06
    "Grogg only believe sillycon chip think, when Grogg see sillycon chip push other sillycon chip back to hind teet"...

    Grogg makes a good point, it seems very important to all things that "think"
    He mentions the very important thing lacking from our "thinking sillycon" chips.
    INSTINCT!!!, knowing something even before it is born.. Instinct that drives competition...


    Is Grogg right? He seems to think an entity needs to have some instinct and competition pre wired..


    -Tommy
  • ElectricAyeElectricAye Posts: 4,561
    edited 2012-02-13 08:21
    Oh poop on it.
  • jazzedjazzed Posts: 11,803
    edited 2012-02-13 08:25
    Programmers think. Micros do not think, they run programs.
  • BatangBatang Posts: 234
    edited 2012-02-13 08:33
    Can One Propeller Chip Think?


    Dude, where's your car.
  • TtailspinTtailspin Posts: 1,326
    edited 2012-02-13 08:38
    Come on ElectricAye, Grogg wants to see the picture you were going to post... :)
  • ElectricAyeElectricAye Posts: 4,561
    edited 2012-02-13 08:43
    Ttailspin wrote: »
    Come on ElectricAye, Grogg wants to see the picture you were going to post... :)

    I had an in-line image but the alien website wouldn't let it load, and this forum would not allow me to delete my post, so.... poop it is. :(
  • HumanoidoHumanoido Posts: 5,770
    edited 2012-02-13 09:05
    Do computers think?
    Complete Student Essay at http://onlineessays.com/essays/tech/tech62.php

    Can or will computers ever think? Well this has been a subject of much debate between even the greatest minds... First of all I have would like you to answer a question. What is 4
  • BatangBatang Posts: 234
    edited 2012-02-13 09:14
    So as you can see by all the definitions I have been able to come up with a computer can think

    Hmm.......Existentialism in the haze of a Hash function:)
  • jazzedjazzed Posts: 11,803
    edited 2012-02-13 09:34
    Repeating something false until you believe it does not make it true.
  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    edited 2012-02-13 09:38
    Well, given all that evidence I conclude:

    We don't think either!

    OK. Next problem.
  • Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi)Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi) Posts: 23,514
    edited 2012-02-13 09:46
    Humanoido wrote:
    Well when your teacher stood over you desk in elementary and do drilled you on the multiplication tables was that not programming?
    No, it was not. If it were, I would have grasped it the first time, without needing repeated drilling. Fortunately, though, my brain was plastic enough to learn things for which it was not hardwired form birth. Acquiring data and functionality through programming and acquiring knowledge and experience through learning are two entirely different processes.

    -Phil
  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    edited 2012-02-13 09:59
    Well, except if you found it impossible to remember the multiplication tables, up to 12 times 12 in England in my day, you soon learned that you could get thexresults with repeated additions and other better short cuts.
    In this way the truth of what was being drilled into you became aparent, it was not just learning, something much deeper.
  • dbpagedbpage Posts: 217
    edited 2012-02-13 10:10
    A Propeller chip is an instruction follower. Instruct it to think and it will.
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