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Harvesting power from audio etc

john_sjohn_s Posts: 369
edited 2011-10-30 23:13 in General Discussion

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  • ercoerco Posts: 20,259
    edited 2011-10-27 14:19
    Or, just connect to the cell phone's battery. Zero parts, 100% conversion efficiency!

    I thought it was going to be something like free power radios, which ingeniously harvest power from stray emf collected on a long wire antenna: http://www.ke3ij.com/nopower.htm
  • davejamesdavejames Posts: 4,047
    edited 2011-10-27 15:08
    @Erco - that was absolutely wild! Thanks for the post.
  • ercoerco Posts: 20,259
    edited 2011-10-27 16:00
    I always liked the idea of free power radios since I saw an article in Pop Electronics in my formative years, circa ~1973. Think about the sheer number of radio stations there are in the world, sending umpteen thousand kilowatts into the ether. Every antenna or metal structure picks up these signals. A typical radio tuner is a filter that passes one particular frequency signal... and shunts all the remaining signals to ground, wasting that energy. Free power radios rectify all that leftover energy and use it to power an amplifier. Very smart!

    I live about 3 miles from KNX-1070, a 50-kilowatt AM radio station in Los Angeles. I can hear their signal clearly on some PA systems, intercoms, telephones, etc. There's gotta be a way to power my whole house from them. Then there's the high tension power line array just a mile from my house. It beckons me...
  • john_sjohn_s Posts: 369
    edited 2011-10-27 18:40
    @Erco - What has caught my attention was that statement...

    "...I tried using Germanium diodes as rectifiers-- and, contrary to what I expected [they have a lower turn-on threshold than Silicon diodes -- .2v vs. .6v-- so I thought they would be more effective than the Silicons. Wrong. They only seem to generate tens of millivolts, whereas Silicon diodes in the same circuit provide a fairly constant 450 - 600 mV. ..."

    I wonder if that's due to the higher leakage of Ge diodes vs Si so that 10uF cap C6 is getting discharged faster while being charged. One way to prove it is to disconnect the antenna, charge C6 to 0.6V and watch the discharge curve of C6 in either scenario.
  • davejamesdavejames Posts: 4,047
    edited 2011-10-27 21:41
    erco wrote: »
    There's gotta be a way to power my whole house from them.

    ...hmmmm, what about the same technique in the article you referenced. A mongo-size loop of wire, tuned to the station, rectify it, run an inverter - see what you get!
  • RiJoRiRiJoRi Posts: 157
    edited 2011-10-28 08:33
    FWIW, I understand that if the power company finds you "borrowing" their power via an antenna -- which is what a wire is -- they (and the law) consider it theft of services. (This is in the US. YMMV in other countries.)

    'Tain't worth the trouble.

    --Rich
  • davejamesdavejames Posts: 4,047
    edited 2011-10-28 12:22
    RiJoRi wrote: »
    FWIW, I understand that if the power company...

    I was refering to the radio station, which by definition, throws their service into the air for anyone to use it.
  • Peter KG6LSEPeter KG6LSE Posts: 1,383
    edited 2011-10-28 23:53
    sorry ..I have serious doubt about that ...

    IF you are on there right of way Yes ..

    Look at RFI cause of bad insulators and haveing it jam my HF set.......... Am I stealing there power ?............By definition ANY induced current has a voltage and thus a "power" ...they are forceing it in my Mixer in my radio ... ........... so by my ham set being JAMMED.. I am in a small way useing there power THEY are radiating .. Am I stealing ....NO ..

    I see no reaason to say that reguardless if its a harmonic at 40 MHz or the base of 60 ........

    Your EM wave ......... your responsibility

    unless the power CO is willing to use coax . ( BTW undergnd cables are shealed and thus are like coax to a extent ...) They have NO right to what they Willing dispose of ..

    In the same sense as a cable CO leaking out of a closed system. Points a finger at TWC in cali .....


    If I get on CH 79 free HBO cause cable CO is not up to snuff . Who is at fault???? ............

    that said ........... with the invese SQ law ....I doulbt you would be able to get any reasonable amount of power out of a coil on Your property From a power line .................



    peter...
  • lardomlardom Posts: 1,659
    edited 2011-10-30 08:02
    I thought I could get free power from mu-metal which is used to isolate magnetism. I took these out of an old hard drive thinking "Maybe I could discover a way to produce perpetual motion..." The one that says "K-1" is the side that isolates magnetism. It didn't work the way I thought it would. I'm still hoping someone finds a way to harvest hydrogen from water using solar and wind. At least you wouldn't have to plug your electric car in for in for several hours.

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  • HumanoidoHumanoido Posts: 5,770
    edited 2011-10-30 23:13
    It's like a garden ready for the harvest. I'm surprised not to see more information about reclaiming this errant energy impinging around in everyone's home! Maybe it's time to put together two technologies. Remember the Joule Thief? A special version for EMI and RFI collection and recycling could drive those important low power devices..
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