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Board Builders: A Dying Breed?

ercoerco Posts: 20,259
edited 2011-10-22 07:05 in General Discussion
There's no shortage of slick new new development, adapter & breakout boards for every possible application, for Props & Arduinos & Speakjet & more. Check out this $6 BREAKOUT board for a plain old 1/8" stereo plug: http://www.ebay.com/itm/3-5mm-Stereo-Audio-Jack-Breakout-Board-/260871925308?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cbd2dae3c Seems a bit ridiculous to me.

It's almost like no one hand builds their own PC boards anymore. I'm talking point to point hand wiring & solder. I actually enjoy building boards that way. Of course, I like CW (morse code) too. My bench has ICs, sockets, and lots of these blank boards from the "Shack": http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2103798# I see that board as a blank canvas... And with rare exception, I see production boards as good for someone else's application, but not mine.

Maybe I'm just stuck in my ways because "we always did it that way", but for whatever reason, the breakout board builders will never make a dime off me. So it's OK by me if they don't come to my funeral (hastened from inhaling 40+ years of fumes from melted LEADED solder, 'cuz we always did it that way) !

And BTW: gentlemen prefer to mount handbuilt boards on handbuilt plywood robots. But that a whole another thread.

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  • ElectricAyeElectricAye Posts: 4,561
    edited 2011-10-21 09:00
    erco wrote: »
    ...
    It's almost like no one hand builds their own PC boards anymore. I'm talking point to point hand wiring & solder.....

    Yeah, but you're just living in suburbia if you aren't blowing your own glass radio tubes by hand. And smelting the ores from which the cathodes are made.
  • ratronicratronic Posts: 1,451
    edited 2011-10-21 09:12
    erco I guess you could call this a hybrid of what your talking about. This is a Propeller protoboard with a 8 channel ADC and a SN754410 motor driver ic hand wired and soldered for my latest balance bot.
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  • jazzedjazzed Posts: 11,803
    edited 2011-10-21 09:17
    Some of my boards are very complicated. I wouldn't even try to make some with a perf-board and sockets, etc.... If I plan to only make one board and it doesn't have to be rugged, it's reasonable to do it point-to-point or use a bread-board. It all comes down to cost and opportunity cost though. If it gives me a headache, I will find another way in most cases unless I'm just consumed by the puzzle.
  • Duane DegnDuane Degn Posts: 10,588
    edited 2011-10-21 09:22
    I still hand solder stuff.

    attachment.php?attachmentid=80501&d=1303579233

    I am trying to learn how to use DipTrace. Some of my projects are getting kind of complicated and I'd rather not spend several days soldering to make one board.

    Duane
  • LeonLeon Posts: 7,620
    edited 2011-10-21 09:26
    I can make a PCB in 30 minutes, not including drilling, so there isn't much point in building a circuit up the hard way.
  • Heater.Heater. Posts: 21,230
    edited 2011-10-21 10:27
    Nah. Not dead yet. My first Prop experience was a DIP Prop welded to strip board. Then add LEDs. Then add SD card etc etc. End result looked like a birds nest but at least it ran CP/M.
    Wish I had a picture to share, I've binned it now.
  • wmosscropwmosscrop Posts: 409
    edited 2011-10-21 10:34
    erco wrote: »
    Maybe I'm just stuck in my ways because "we always did it that way", but for whatever reason, the breakout board builders will never make a dime off me.

    erco,

    I also enjoy making my own boards. Bringing a new circuit to life is fun, educational, and usually frustrating (I never seem to leave enough room between components for the point-to-point wiring).

    I have learned far more by making the boards rather than purchasing them... because no matter how careful I am, I always manage to misconnect, misorient, etc. something. It's like computer programming; you learn more by making mistakes than by doing things right the first time.

    That said, I have used a few breakout boards:
    (1) Sometimes the component I need is available only as SMT. Due to my eyesight and my (lack of) soldering skills, I've learned that 0.1" pin spacing is about as close as I can handle.
    (2) For one-off projects, I can occasionally get the breakout board, already assembled and tested, for less than what it would cost to buy the components--never mind the time and effort to do the soldering. I do this only if the breakout board is secondary to the focus of the project. RS-232 adapters come to mind here.

    Keep the faith. There are those of us that still breathe fire (well, solder fumes). Now where did I put my desoldering braid?

    Walter
  • BitsBits Posts: 414
    edited 2011-10-21 10:44
    I breadboard nearly each new project I embark on.

    Its not that its a dyeing breed, its just different these days. Breakout boards would not be popular if the IC manufactures made more packages available. In fact I find it easier to procure a $10 breakout board than to solder pins on a 8-MSOP.
  • Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi)Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi) Posts: 23,514
    edited 2011-10-21 10:47
    I do this all the time with the Proto-DB:

    attachment.php?attachmentid=86189&d=1319219220

    It makes it easy to build custom circuits that interface with the Propeller Backpack, Spinneret, or MoBoStamp-pe.

    -Phil
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  • MicrocontrolledMicrocontrolled Posts: 2,461
    edited 2011-10-21 11:07
    I'm constantly buying the large PCBs from RadioShack so I can cut it up and hand-solder circuits cut to the size I need. I don't know why anyone wouldn't do this: speaking for myself, this is the fun part!
  • Martin_HMartin_H Posts: 4,051
    edited 2011-10-21 11:28
    All I make are one offs for projects (e.g. scribbler hacker board, my race timer, two IR compound eyes, an h bridge). It seems to be more trouble than it is worth to make a PCB for just one of something. So I use perf board with point to point. Sometimes they come out really nice looking, other times a total rats nets. It all depends upon how well I visualize the interconnections before starting, and the inherent complexity of the circuit.
  • GordonMcCombGordonMcComb Posts: 3,366
    edited 2011-10-21 11:40
    I think folks are building custom boards just as much as they used to, but MORE people are building projects, period (full stop for your British people). It just seems like the breakouts and shields are taking over, but it's simply because there are more players in the game.

    Be HAPPY about it! Eventually the kitters will venture out on their own, and construct something custom on a breadboard, or maybe even create their own PCB.

    -- Gordon
  • GordonMcCombGordonMcComb Posts: 3,366
    edited 2011-10-21 11:45
    erco wrote: »
    Tinhaling 40+ years of fumes from melted LEADED solder

    Just to remind folks, smoke from consumer soldering contains little lead (maybe the odd molecule here and there from lead oxide). It's simply too heavy of a metal to go wafting about in the air. Unleaded solder still contains rosin, and rosin smoke still isn't great for you.

    In fact, unleaded solder is known to produce more particulates than leaded. Its value is really in reducing lead in the landfill. It's really no more safe to work with than grandpa's 1/8" thick solder he used to use with his 75 watt Weller.

    -- Gordon
  • ratronicratronic Posts: 1,451
    edited 2011-10-21 11:49
    I have to admit there is a breakout board IMU plugged into the pictures I posted earlier.
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  • mindrobotsmindrobots Posts: 6,506
    edited 2011-10-21 11:55
    Erco (and friends),

    You are not alone. Point to point and plywood is an admirable calling!!

    photo.jpg


    It's a 2 prop peripheral for the QuickStart to run PropForth with multiple props. It's basic, ugly and currently stalled for time.
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  • jazzedjazzed Posts: 11,803
    edited 2011-10-21 12:00
    The flux fumes may kill you ... dying breed indeed.
    Just hook up a muffin fan on a wall-wart to suck the smoke away.
  • RobotWorkshopRobotWorkshop Posts: 2,307
    edited 2011-10-21 12:06
    If I am just working on prototypes or are making one off projects I still hand wire some boards Also use the plain boards when needed. Below is a picture from one of the Propeller boards I made for a custom homebrew robot.

    handwire.jpg


    Robert
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  • Computer Geek 101Computer Geek 101 Posts: 179
    edited 2011-10-21 12:28
    I etch all my own boards. I have 4 rfid door locks, 2 job displays, 7 Data Collections, and 1 Material Control boards at work. I etched the copper clad boards myself.
  • David BDavid B Posts: 592
    edited 2011-10-21 15:34
    I do a lot of deadbug breadboarding on unetched copperclad board.

    They usually work well, but they're so ugly that it's an embarrassment to compare them to some of the beautiful circuit boards that some people here show.

    I like working with raw parts because it's so easy to add extra caps if they're needed, change resistor values or even solder in a multiturn pot, add buffer ICs, LEDs, rewire connections until the circuit works.

    Then as soon as it works, the challenge is gone, so it goes into the junkbox to make room for the next project!
  • Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi)Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi) Posts: 23,514
    edited 2011-10-21 16:37
    David B wrote:
    I do a lot of deadbug breadboarding on unetched copperclad board. They usually work well, but they're so ugly that it's an embarrassment to compare them to some of the beautiful circuit boards that some people here show.
    'Nothing to be bashful about! It's a time-honored technique among RF designers (who call it Manhattan-style breadboarding). The late, great Bob Pease was famous for his "messy" breadboarding style. Here's an example:

    http://www.rfcafe.com/references/electrical/bob-pease-breadboard.htm

    -Phil
  • Peter KG6LSEPeter KG6LSE Posts: 1,383
    edited 2011-10-22 07:05
    NOt me ,, I LOVE to etch and dead bug .. ( not a fan of perf board ) .



    Peter
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