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Surface mount component kits - (Woohoo Did It!!!)

photomankcphotomankc Posts: 943
edited 2011-10-23 21:07 in General Discussion
Ok,

I'm going to have to start learning to go over to the dark side and build PCBs for some of the surface mount ICs that are replacing DIPs by the day. If I do that, then may as well save a little space on the discrete components too. Now, I don't want to have to place an order every time I make up a board so I wanted to look around for some decent kits of 1206 or 805 sized components. Are there any suggestions as to a good place to go. So far the best deal I have found is a place called Nightfire Electronics. I don't need nifty storage cases as I already have bins for all my through hole resistors and caps. They have reasonable prices on the kits but wanted to see if there was another place that people know of that's good to work with? Digikey's kits all seem to be close to or over $100.

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  • PublisonPublison Posts: 12,366
    edited 2011-10-19 07:51
    photomankc wrote: »
    Ok,

    I'm going to have to start learning to go over to the dark side and build PCBs for some of the surface mount ICs that are replacing DIPs by the day. If I do that, then may as well save a little space on the discrete components too. Now, I don't want to have to place an order every time I make up a board so I wanted to look around for some decent kits of 1206 or 805 sized components. Are there any suggestions as to a good place to go. So far the best deal I have found is a place called Nightfire Electronics. I don't need nifty storage cases as I already have bins for all my through hole resistors and caps. They have reasonable prices on the kits but wanted to see if there was another place that people know of that's good to work with? Digikey's kits all seem to be close to or over $100.

    Jameco has them for about $25 less. Here is an 0805 kit with 7,200 pcs. 144 values:

    http://www.jameco.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10001&catalogId=10001&pa=172806&productId=172806&keyCode=PDF
  • PublisonPublison Posts: 12,366
    edited 2011-10-19 08:03
    Some pretty cheap deals on ebay. Do a search for "resistor kit".
  • photomankcphotomankc Posts: 943
    edited 2011-10-19 08:08
    I'll do that. Didn't think of that for this kind of stuff.
  • FranklinFranklin Posts: 4,747
    edited 2011-10-19 18:40
  • Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi)Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi) Posts: 23,514
    edited 2011-10-19 19:23
    Unless you're over ninety and half-blind or suffering from Parkinson's, don't waste your money on 1206 passives. It's just not that hard to solder 0805's or even 0603's. A pair of fine-tipped anti-magnetic tweezers, some solder paste, a fixture to hold the PCB, and a temperature-controlled toaster oven (preferably with a convection fan) are all you need for factory-perfect surface-mount solder joints.

    -Phil
  • frank freedmanfrank freedman Posts: 1,983
    edited 2011-10-19 23:16
    Unless you're over ninety and half-blind or suffering from Parkinson's, don't waste your money on 1206 passives. It's just not that hard to solder 0805's or even 0603's. A pair of fine-tipped anti-magnetic tweezers, some solder paste, a fixture to hold the PCB, and a temperature-controlled toaster oven (preferably with a convection fan) are all you need for factory-perfect surface-mount solder joints.

    -Phil

    For those over 90 or half blind or...... ebay sometimes has surgeons loupes for a good price. I found a pair of 2.5x for $50.00. Just takes a bit getting used to working at approx 3/4 arms length. On the positive side, I am not trying to get soldering iron or tools under a monster mag glass and swearing at the spherical distortion over 50% of the field. Great for post inspection too. Also if you do not have or want to do the toaster oven, you can make or buy (some reasonable units on sparkfun) an air rework soldering pen. My manager approved one of the sparkfun units after I saved a few $K on an expensive board fix. At home, and my preference for building is a home made job modeled after the utube device using the Radio Shack solder sucker and fish tank air pump. Zeph-paste does well this way. The sparcfun unit I use mainly for part removal when the board MUST survive a part removal.

    @Phil,
    Have you tried the toaster oven w/ adhesive on a double sided board? My pen works well for repair and small part count work, just have not tried the toaster oven thing yet. Guess that's what I get for trashing out a unit with a failed timer on it.

    Frank
  • GadgetmanGadgetman Posts: 2,436
    edited 2011-10-20 01:28
    The kits at Adafruit looks good.
    (I like that they have more of the 'more used' values and less of the 'extreme ranges')

    But frankly, if you already have good storage for them, I would advice on just ordering the sizes you use most often, and complement as necessary.
    (1K, 10K, maybe 330Ohm resistors, 0.1uF caps would be at the top of my list. )

    Where can one get a toaster oven that uses 230V and is CE approved?
    (They're not that common in Europe... )
  • LeonLeon Posts: 7,620
    edited 2011-10-20 01:39
    I have a toaster oven but I prefer to use my Metcal soldering station.
  • photomankcphotomankc Posts: 943
    edited 2011-10-23 15:28
    First stab was a 2 channel Bi-Directional level shifter. BSS138 SOT23s and then some through hole resisters. Made a mess of it though on the resistors ironically. I goofed and made the spacing too small for the leads. Almost wrecked the board trying to get them attached undereath. The SOT's were the easy part LOL!

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  • Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi)Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi) Posts: 23,514
    edited 2011-10-23 16:49
    Way to go, phtomankc!

    I think the hardest part about surface-mount soldering is the anticipation (i.e. dread) before you try it the first time. For my first SMD board, I designed in all 1206 passives. 0603s just seemed like impossible pepper specks to deal with. But I soon came to realize that they were no big deal and now use them regularly.

    -Phil
  • photomankcphotomankc Posts: 943
    edited 2011-10-23 18:14
    Thanks Phil! Was kinda fun to see those little specks on my own board! Your comment about Parkinson's was actually a little close to home :). I have rather poor steadiness when working on small stuff. Just paying with the 805s was obvious that was about as little as I want to deal with and light with a magnifier is going to be key. The flux made it not too bad though. It was so sticky that I could just touch the pad with the iron and they would stay put and tack down the one leg easy.

    I also discovered that if you turn over your open jar of flux you should abandon the home, sell it and move away. That stuff was outrageously hard to clean up and at first I was doing nothing but spreading it onto everything I looked at.

    All in all not bad but I have a .65 pitch IC to mess with later that will probably be a bigger challenge. I definitely see the appeal though. Less drilling is nice but my CNC mill makes it take longer to align the board than to actually drill the holes. I also like those nice big gaps that resistors make for routing sometimes too.

    I'll order in some caps and resistors so I can start doing a bit more. Got a couple more designs waiting to be produced.
  • Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi)Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi) Posts: 23,514
    edited 2011-10-23 21:07
    photomankc wrote:
    I have rather poor steadiness when working on small stuff.
    I do, too, actually. It helps to have someplace to rest your wrist when you're placing the small parts, and I often use my other hand to steady and help guide the one holding the tweezers. Antimagnetic tweezers are a must, BTW. Being able to nudge a component that's already placed on the board, without it adhering to the nudging tool is essential. Also, I've found that, by using solder paste and an oven, the parts tend to position themselves due to the surface tension of the molten solder.

    -Phil
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