Offtopic but IMHO important Syntegration-OpenSourceEcology-Zeitgeist moving forward
StefanL38
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Hi,
I'm very well aware that this posting is totally off-topic and not propeller-related.
And I agree if a moderator deletes this thread. In a very long run it is somehow propeller-related.
I want parallax to survive the upcoming crisis.
I see this as one part of my contribution to the occupy wallstreet movement.
My impression of the propeller-users is that they are over average open-minded.
(Otherwise you wouldn't use a propeller-chip :-)
So I want to point the propeller-community to three things, that in my opinion, get very important
if a worldwide breakdown of the financial system should really happen.
Fist: A method called syntegration. It's a kind of workshop where partipicants tell that it brings
unbelivable good results. It is a real innovation in social technology" as it combines the strength
of small groups in discussion with the combined knowledge of big groups in a very effective way.
The 30 to 42 partipicants get into a process to think as one big brain finding new solutions to solve
even the hardest problems.
More Info at: http://www.syntegration.com/
Second: OpenSourceEcology. They build a so called global village construction set.
A set of basic machines that can be build, maintained and repaired by the users themselfs
at a small fraction of the costs as if the user would buy it or engages other professionals for
maintaining and repairing.
http://opensourceecology.org/
Third: The movie "Zeitgeist moving forward"
In the third part of the film a new concept of a ressource-based economy is explained.
This concept is my favorite what I would like to see in the future.
"Zeitgeist moving forward" from Peter Joseph.
@ the moderators: Please read the informations behind the links. After reading decide if you want to
delete or close this thread. I can accepts this and will not complain. But I think this is very important
information that should spread on every channel.
I thank everybody for taking time to read something that is only far behind propeller-related.
keep the ideas for a better future coming
best regards
Stefan
I'm very well aware that this posting is totally off-topic and not propeller-related.
And I agree if a moderator deletes this thread. In a very long run it is somehow propeller-related.
I want parallax to survive the upcoming crisis.
I see this as one part of my contribution to the occupy wallstreet movement.
My impression of the propeller-users is that they are over average open-minded.
(Otherwise you wouldn't use a propeller-chip :-)
So I want to point the propeller-community to three things, that in my opinion, get very important
if a worldwide breakdown of the financial system should really happen.
Fist: A method called syntegration. It's a kind of workshop where partipicants tell that it brings
unbelivable good results. It is a real innovation in social technology" as it combines the strength
of small groups in discussion with the combined knowledge of big groups in a very effective way.
The 30 to 42 partipicants get into a process to think as one big brain finding new solutions to solve
even the hardest problems.
More Info at: http://www.syntegration.com/
Second: OpenSourceEcology. They build a so called global village construction set.
A set of basic machines that can be build, maintained and repaired by the users themselfs
at a small fraction of the costs as if the user would buy it or engages other professionals for
maintaining and repairing.
http://opensourceecology.org/
Third: The movie "Zeitgeist moving forward"
In the third part of the film a new concept of a ressource-based economy is explained.
This concept is my favorite what I would like to see in the future.
"Zeitgeist moving forward" from Peter Joseph.
@ the moderators: Please read the informations behind the links. After reading decide if you want to
delete or close this thread. I can accepts this and will not complain. But I think this is very important
information that should spread on every channel.
I thank everybody for taking time to read something that is only far behind propeller-related.
keep the ideas for a better future coming
best regards
Stefan
This discussion has been closed.
Comments
C.W.
I would in principle agree with C.W. however I can't seem to find a coherent rational solution solution coming from any source I have heard from or read that does not sound like one of the isms being proposed by the presenters. The arguments seem circular, illogical and driven by envy.
My main questions for this movements are 1) when did economics stop being a required course, and 2) why do nearly all speakers have a foreign accent and feel force/violence is an acceptible path to achieving their ends and 3) what gives these people the right to what others have, and by what measure of arogance do these individuals consider themselves the rightfull arbiters of these matters?
They need to go home, take a bath, and really review their place and contribution to the world. There is enough violence, envy, greed, and anti-semitism in the world with out their adding to it.
Frank
Moderator: feel free to blow this whole post (or thread) away if so inclined. This topic is one of great irritation for me.
probably this post can survive the forum if you modify it in two ways:
First: strip out any allusions to the occupy thing. The political philosophy behind your ideas about technology and ecology and so forth do not necessarily need to be revealed to the forum. I think people here are open to discussing technology in general and ideas about how that technology integrates with society, but you should be careful how far you go with the political thing.
Second: move it to the Chatter forum where people are more tolerant of general technical ideas of this type.
That's just my 2 cents worth.
Whenever you don't like to answer don't do it.
@C.W. and Paul: I'm aware that I know almost nothing about you.
From the little I know You seem to belong to that kind of people that need the real hard landing to understand what is going on.in the global economy.
@Frank: the rational solution that I suggest is based on the biggest experience you can imagine. The longest development and optimsation-process you can think of.
I'm thinking about this now for 25 years and it becomes more and more true just by the things that happen out there.
Biological life itself. If you analyse the control structures of biological systems you will find always the same basic principle in the structure of the control-system.
Now if this is the case and it has billions of years "experience" the toughest tests varied in millions of ways. It must be the best possible structure.
The science behind this is cybernetics. We are still on planet earth (and not any kind of big technical spsceship. Everything is based and involved into biological
systems. So our technology don't has to stop (It's hard to wait for Prop-II) but to evolve into bionics in that meaning that the control-structures has to obey the
rules of the viable-system-model. This world has a huge complexity and it gets more and more complex. If you want to control such a huge complexity
the control-structures has to be complex too. (complex not complicated).
Complex means you need fast reacting feed-back-loops that are stabilising the system. The wallstreet has no negative feedback they have positive feedback.
If the price is rising more people will buy and the price will rise even more. If the proce is falling people sell and the proce is falling even more.
They have piled up so huge debts that the dow jones will fall down from 11.000 to 1000 (90%) in the years 2014-2016.
Huh How would I know that? History and cybernetic systemanalysis can tell you that.
best regards
Stefan
Based on those comments it is obvious you prefer this thread to be "Occupy Parallax", it has no place here, and I encourage the moderators to delete it.
C.W.
Without discussion, there can be no consensus. Personally, I've been following sustainable, micro-scale kinds of development efforts for a while now. Applying local resources and technology understanding to basic problems can deliver some impressive results! The why behind the ongoing efforts is a political matter, but the how and one's overall life applicability isn't.
I don't disagree that discussion is needed. But I don't think the Parallax forum is the place to do it. I'm probably one of the worst offenders of pushing the limits of off-topic discussions on this forum but I think I know when not to cross the line when it comes to politics, etc. I'm sure you can re-frame your interests and useful suggestions in a way that focuses not on politics but on the technical aspects of your interests. If you stick to the technology, people here will be happy to help you with whatever ecological solutions you might have in mind. But not everyone is going to agree with your motives and some people will be outright offended, and I'm afraid that will prompt the moderators to trash your entire thread.
We have found this post to be out-of-line with the general atmosphere of the Parallax Discussion Forums; although the direct subject matter is not completely out-of-line, as stated 'in a very long run', the allusions to concepts of a politcal nature do not belong here.
As such, this thread will be locked and we ask that topics loosely or directly tied to some sort of struggle or sympathy movement not be made on the Parallax Discussion Forums; we are of many minds, but minds gathered for programming and electronics, which is the path we will walk and not sway.
Political or religious beliefs:
The Parallax Discussion Forums is not the venue to discuss religious/non-religious agendas, nor is it a place for political rants or arguments. As stated above: the forums were created to promote and allow ongoing discussions about, but not limited to, products designed and developed by Parallax Inc. If you wish to discuss the existence of things divine or the most recent upheaval in the legislature of man, find another forum.