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Running more then one bst with XP-64?

$WMc%$WMc% Posts: 1,884
edited 2011-10-14 06:37 in Propeller 1
Hello All
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I would like to open more then one bst program on my XP-64 machine.So far I can only open one?
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I have tried different things for a while now and nothing seems to work.(Since the start of PropBasic)
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Is this an XP-64/Win. bug or something Else?
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I have multi-monitors on my PC and opening a few bst programs would really be nice for code migration.
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Any thoughts or help would really be appreciated.
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Thanks

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  • LoopyBytelooseLoopyByteloose Posts: 12,537
    edited 2011-10-07 00:09
    Are you really running a 64 bit version of XP? I didn't think M$ produced one, but it does seem to exist. I am not quite sure why you cannot run two copies. This may be very difficult to run down as XP is nearing the end of support.

    Below is an excerpt from Wikipedia's entry for Windows XP 64 bit Pro. A lot of features seemed to be unresolved.

    "Known limitations

    There are some common issues that arise with Windows XP Professional x64 Edition.

    * 64-bit Windows versions do not include NTVDM or Windows on Windows, so MS-DOS or 16-bit Windows applications will not run. Some 32-bit (typically older) programs have 16-bit installers that will not run on the x64 Edition with the exception of certain 16-bit installers such as ACME Setup versions 2.6, 3.0, 3.01, 3.1 and InstallShield 5.x hardcoded into WoW64.[13]
    * Only 64-bit drivers are supported.[13]
    * Any 32-bit Windows Explorer shell extensions fail to work with 64-bit Windows Explorer. However, Windows XP x64 Edition also ships with a 32-bit Windows Explorer.[14] It is possible to make it the default Windows Shell. [15]
    * Command prompts will not load in full-screen.
    * No native support for Type 1 fonts.[citation needed]
    * Does not contain a Web Extender Client component for Web Folders (WebDAV).[16]
    * Spell checking is not available in Outlook Express.[17]
    * IEEE1394 (FireWire) audio is not supported.[18]"
  • LoopyBytelooseLoopyByteloose Posts: 12,537
    edited 2011-10-07 07:00
    This may be a bit more helpful than my first reply.
    I happen to have 64bit machine, a Quad with BST installed in 32bit Ubuntu.

    I find that I CANNOT run multiple copies of BST in this OS either. So it may be the compiler that was used. If so, you may have to recompile from the source code to get multiple copies.
  • $WMc%$WMc% Posts: 1,884
    edited 2011-10-07 18:39
    Loppy..
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    Thanks for the reply....( I expected the win/XP-64 slam from you mac and linsux users.) thats cool...
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    Yes I really have a hotrod XP-64bit machine.(home built machine)
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    I see you can't run more than one bst tool either. Even with your hotrod 64 bit ubuntu machine.
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    I failed to mention that my 32bit Vista Laptop will not open more than one bst tool either.I have tried this on a 32bit XP machine and an old Win98 machine too.
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    I think this is a bst thing.BradC had to cover 3 OS and make them all happy.
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    I was hoping BradC would chime in here.
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    Thanks Again
  • Kevin WoodKevin Wood Posts: 1,266
    edited 2011-10-07 19:45
    > I expected the win/XP-64 slam from you mac and linsux users.

    I don't think it was a slam... XP-64 just isn't all that common.

    That said, I can launch more than 1 instance of BST under Linux by running them as different users.
  • Zap-oZap-o Posts: 452
    edited 2011-10-07 20:46
    What is bst?
  • LoopyBytelooseLoopyByteloose Posts: 12,537
    edited 2011-10-08 01:30
    BST is an alternative to the Propeller Tool for Linux and Apple users, but works in Windows as well.

    I really didn't know that there was ever an XP 64bit. I have Vista on my 64bit machine and am much annoyed that the manufacture put 32bit on a 64bit machine to save a few OEM bucks. I may get W7 64bit running on it soon, but have kind of accepted that 32bit still supports more.

    Running as different users? That is a bit awkward. You have to log in and out to switch.
  • Kevin WoodKevin Wood Posts: 1,266
    edited 2011-10-08 01:52
    > Running as different users? That is a bit awkward. You have to log in and out to switch.

    No you don't. In Windows, use Run as <user name>, in *nix, use su <user name>.
  • LoopyBytelooseLoopyByteloose Posts: 12,537
    edited 2011-10-08 10:15
    Okay, so you can run as Administrator in Windows, and maybe Superuser in Linux.

    1. Generally not considered a good idea as parameters may be changed that are not normally accessible.
    2. Ubuntu Linux doesn't initially have a SU, the users have to log in as SUDO.

    I really suspect that with the right compiler, the code may be adapted to run multiple occurrences for a normal user. I
  • $WMc%$WMc% Posts: 1,884
    edited 2011-10-08 14:02
    Kevin Wood wrote: »
    > Running as different users? That is a bit awkward. You have to log in and out to switch.

    No you don't. In Windows, use Run as <user name>, in *nix, use su <user name>.

    I can make a 100 different "users" and have a 100 different bst's. I still can't see more than 1 at a time.
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    I have 4 monitors on my PC. I want to open a bst tool, open some code I wrote a year ago and drag it into monitor 1. Next open another bst and drag it into monitor 2 with some code I wrote 6 months ago, Next open another bst and drag it into monitor 3 with the latest code I'm working on. Leaving monitor 4 open for the Parallax forums and some tunes, etc.
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    What I'm doing now as a work around is copy/paste to multi note-pad windows.This works but the indentions are not rite and if I find an error in the older code I'm not editing the code in the bst folder.
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    Just to clear up what I'm after. Thanks
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    P.S. I didn't mean slam as a bad thing, But in the way we poke fun at each other.
  • Kevin WoodKevin Wood Posts: 1,266
    edited 2011-10-09 00:17
    @Loopy Byteloose - I think you misunderstand how Run as..., su, and su on Ubuntu work. They're not limited to administrator or root accounts.

    > P.S. I didn't mean slam as a bad thing, But in the way we poke fun at each other.

    Well, you're the one asking for help. I'm sure you'll receive a lot more of it if you avoid slamming and poking fun at those that attempt to provide it.
  • LoopyBytelooseLoopyByteloose Posts: 12,537
    edited 2011-10-09 01:33
    No offense taken, but there are several reasons to NOT use the administrative role as a means to bypass normal restrictions. And, my Ubuntu doesn't come with SU - one has to muddle through getting it into operation.

    Besides, we really haven't solved anything on XP, have we? I strongly suspect that somewhere in the C compiler is a choice of how memory is allocated to a task and one must be specific in that you desire multiple runs of the same program.

    Since it is XP, about the only solution I can come up with is to use the original Propeller Tool and maybe one instance of BST along side it.
  • $WMc%$WMc% Posts: 1,884
    edited 2011-10-09 09:25
    Thanks for the feed back.
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    I wonder what it would take to get PropBasic to run in the Propeller Tool?
  • Kevin WoodKevin Wood Posts: 1,266
    edited 2011-10-09 19:16
    The PropBasic thread has info on configuring EditPlus for use with PropBasic. You could adapt those instructions to other editors such as Notepad++, Programmer's Notepad, PSPad, etc.

    http://forums.parallax.com/showthread.php?118611-Download-PropBASIC-here...-00.01.14-July-27-2011&highlight=PropBasic
  • BradCBradC Posts: 2,601
    edited 2011-10-13 20:37
    Hrm.. yeah. No bst specifically looks for an existing running copy before it spawns a new one. I guess I can see the whole multi-monitor thing might be useful, but then I just use a text editor if I want to do that. The whole point of bst being able to talk to multiple propellers simultaneously was to get away from running multiple copies.

    Why not use the Propeller tool and it's tear-off tabs thingo to display your static code?
  • SapiehaSapieha Posts: 2,964
    edited 2011-10-14 03:12
    Hi.
    Sorry for of topic question.

    BUT first -- NOT all have understand that BSTC can run multiple Propellers in same session (With only diferent pages opened) --- BUT BSTC need some PDF help file to how it was assumed to function.


    BradC --- Any Progress in upgrade's to BSTC. As I'm are BIG fan of it --- waiting for that !

    BradC wrote: »
    Hrm.. yeah. No bst specifically looks for an existing running copy before it spawns a new one. I guess I can see the whole multi-monitor thing might be useful, but then I just use a text editor if I want to do that. The whole point of bst being able to talk to multiple propellers simultaneously was to get away from running multiple copies.

    Why not use the Propeller tool and it's tear-off tabs thingo to display your static code?
  • BradCBradC Posts: 2,601
    edited 2011-10-14 05:46
    Sapieha wrote: »
    Hi.
    Sorry for of topic question.

    BUT first -- NOT all have understand that BSTC can run multiple Propellers in same session (With only diferent pages opened) --- BUT BSTC need some PDF help file to how it was assumed to function.

    You mean like the one here http://www.fnarfbargle.com/bst/manual/

    I've given up making promises as to when I may or may not get around to updating bst, so I'll revert to a safe answer of "when I get some time". I've finally upgraded to a new iMac, so I'm struggling with some issues relation to OSX 10.7 at the moment.
  • SapiehaSapieha Posts: 2,964
    edited 2011-10-14 06:37
    Hi BradC.

    Thanks for Link to PDF-manual -- That help many people to understand possibility's in BSTC.

    And thanks for updates on progress

    BradC wrote: »
    You mean like the one here http://www.fnarfbargle.com/bst/manual/

    I've given up making promises as to when I may or may not get around to updating bst, so I'll revert to a safe answer of "when I get some time". I've finally upgraded to a new iMac, so I'm struggling with some issues relation to OSX 10.7 at the moment.
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