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Inkjet printing color overlays onto PCBs

TubularTubular Posts: 4,647
edited 2011-09-26 15:39 in Robotics
Not sure exactly where to post this, but figure its safe enough here.

This is a first attempt to 'print' over the top of a PCB, specifically a white solid block of overlay.

I'm using a Canon IP3000's ability to print on CDs / DVDs. The printer has some smarts and I had to cut a hole in a CD the same size as the circuit board, and even had to add a white sticker before the printer could be convinced to print.

The result looked ok immediately after printing, but the ink soon shrivels into tiny droplets and the effect 'fades' somewhat. I used a bar radiator to 'cure' the ink so it wouldn't smudge.

If anyone else tries this, I'd be interested in knowing whether different printer inks make a difference.

Next time i might try more than one pass, and try to heat (set) the ink as soon as it comes off the printer, before it shrinks into droplets.
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Comments

  • LeonLeon Posts: 7,620
    edited 2011-09-23 21:10
    Some members of the Homebrew PCB Yahoo group have experimented with that technique. I can't remember how they got on with it, though.
  • TubularTubular Posts: 4,647
    edited 2011-09-23 21:21
    Leon, got any links? I'd be interested to see what they tried and how they went.

    For a first attempt, it shows some promise. I also thought about pre-applying a clear glue (a smear or superglue or araldite or something), to "catch" the ink droplets and then dry clear. There's probably something really simple that would work well, just a matter of finding the right gloop.
  • TubularTubular Posts: 4,647
    edited 2011-09-23 23:24
    thanks Leon, some interesting stuff there

    A while ago I made some circuits using "GeoFoil", a certificate laminate from the '90s. It was not super conductive, but may be good enough for a RCSLOW prop or other micropower micro. It was however a super quick process (< 2 minutes). Must post something about it
  • WBA ConsultingWBA Consulting Posts: 2,934
    edited 2011-09-24 01:07
    A few years ago, I dove in head-first trying to get inkjet ink to adhere to PCBs for adding a soldermask on homespun board. Where I stopped was at the point of getting engulfed with the technology and chemistry involved with the absorption/dissolution of the ink into paper designed for inkjet printing. It's rather interesting and I never knew how much technology was truly involved. The reason I could never get satisfactory printing on a PCB was the virtually non-existent absorption rate of FR4 fiberglass, the base material for PCBs. High quality inkjet paper is coated with a waxy film that limits absorption into the paper, yet allows the ink to remain stable in it's deposited form (see this explanation). The absorption rate of FR4 material is so low, that the physics of fluid mechanics works against you and the surface tension of the ink causes it to bead. The solution was to head towards more exotic inks used in other forms of inkjet printing and I decided to move on to other ideas in my head instead.
    I couldn't find any of the white papers from a few years ago that gave me the finer details of inkjet printing inks, but the abstract for this more recent paper sounds like what I had found before. The paper here also has some good insight to inkjet technology at the ink drop level. Figure 5 on Page 5 of the PDF shows how the ideal inkjet droplet should come to rest and what I couldn't obtain on a PCB. My efforts are at least memorable....

    However, while reading this thread and digging up the above thoughts from my memory, something new popped up. I was not knowledgeable of CO2 lasers back then, so the thought never occurred to me before, but this thread brought it out. I wonder if you could take some thermal transfer ribbon (like that for a large Zebra printer), lay it across the PCB that was aligned in a laser, and raster the image of your desired soldermask with low enough power to transfer the ink from the ribbon, but not melt the ribbon. In effect, you would be "thermally printing" your soldermask onto the board in the same manner the Zebra printer would do on a label. I think the idea is worth putting to some tests. A resin type ribbon would be fairly permanent and resistant to wear as long as it adheres to the FR4

    Good luck with your adventure, I do hope you can achieve success with this.
  • GadgetmanGadgetman Posts: 2,436
    edited 2011-09-24 11:34
    What about using something like the Xerox Phaser technology?
    (Melting coloured wax onto the print surface)

    You probably need to build your own printer, though...
    Maybe adapt a Mendel or Thing-o-Matic 3D printer with a new head?
    Or pick up an old HP 7550 or similar desktop pen-plotter?
  • TubularTubular Posts: 4,647
    edited 2011-09-25 18:14
    Wba, I had look at those links you kindly posted - like you I'm amazed at how much technology goes into something apparently so simple. I'm going to return to those links and have a thorough read later. I've got a parallax inkjet kit on the way and am long term interested in the whole printed electronics thing.

    Gadgetman, good call. I've got a faithful 7475 plotter and have put a 'Dalo' pen in and plotted a PCB before. It certainly works, and its not hard to drill out an old pen to accommodate pretty much any other pen. The phaser wax is also an interesting possibility. Wonder how well it sticks to fibreglass, it probably has a reasonable chance.
  • TtailspinTtailspin Posts: 1,326
    edited 2011-09-25 22:53
    I have had some success with Iron_on transfer paper for Tshirt fabrics.
    IronOn.JPG

    Not exactly high tech, but it works OK for prototyping stuff.

    -Tommy
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  • TubularTubular Posts: 4,647
    edited 2011-09-26 14:49
    Tommy

    Thats a great idea, hadn't thought of that. Easy enough too.

    I'll give it a go and see if it sticks to the white epoxy overlay...
  • TtailspinTtailspin Posts: 1,326
    edited 2011-09-26 15:10
    HeHe.. Practice first, and don't wiggle the paper. Your Milege May Vary...

    It is just like ironing the high gloss photo paper, except you don't need the toner ink. :thumb:
    when it melts, you can "feel" it, Sort of mushy, like the ink is thicker or something,
    I believe you could use any color of the rainbow, I have only used green so far...
    TshirtIronOn.JPG



    -Tommy
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  • PublisonPublison Posts: 12,366
    edited 2011-09-26 15:19
    Tommy,

    That looks pretty good!

    At what resolution are you printing? 300 or 600 DPI?

    Do you have a problem with registration? ie, printer size vs paper size?

    Jim

    EDIT: Does the paper size match up with the PCB Layout size?
  • TtailspinTtailspin Posts: 1,326
    edited 2011-09-26 15:39
    Printing at 600 dpi, But, I don't see why 300 dpi would not work just as well,
    I turn on all of the High Resolution options when I print on the Tshirt paper.

    I print the artwork right from the DipTrace program, I have also printed from PCB express,(or was it express PCB?.)
    Any of the PCB drawing programs should be able to flip and mirror the artwork for you,
    If not, then you can use the Tshirt printing software that comes with many new printers, or from Avery.com


    -Tommy
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