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corroded copper hookup wire?

agimuhingagimuhing Posts: 39
edited 2011-08-09 11:42 in Propeller 1
I have a propeller chip on a breadboard. when I powered it up recently, it wouldn't do anything. I later measured its power rail and found out that 1 volt was missing. I measured the regulator and it was outputting 3.3V.

I am sure that everything is wired up correctly because I have gotten it to work intermittently.

The breadboard was wired up with bare copper hookup wire I cut more than six months ago

Do hookup wires corrode enough in six months to cause a 1 volt drop?

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  • ElectricAyeElectricAye Posts: 4,561
    edited 2011-08-08 12:02
    agimuhing wrote: »
    ...

    Do hookup wires corrode enough in six months to cause a 1 volt drop?

    Unless you have it immersed in acid, it's very unlikely you would see any corrosion of that magnitude. But this does sound very much like a bad connection somewhere. If you used bare copper wires, what are the chances that two wires are touching? It's better to use insulated wire, of course, and to keep your connections as short as possible. If you want, you could post a photo of your breadboard and we might see something odd going on.

    It's also possible you could have a blown bypass capacitor or something.

    My 2 cents.
  • agimuhingagimuhing Posts: 39
    edited 2011-08-08 14:20
    I replaced the wires that connected the regulator to the breadboard rails and wires to the prop chip
    works fine now and the voltage at the prop power pins is back to 3.3
  • Mark_TMark_T Posts: 1,981
    edited 2011-08-08 15:34
    Unless you have it immersed in acid, it's very unlikely you would see any corrosion of that magnitude. But this does sound very much like a bad connection somewhere. If you used bare copper wires, what are the chances that two wires are touching? It's better to use insulated wire, of course, and to keep your connections as short as possible. If you want, you could post a photo of your breadboard and we might see something odd going on.

    It's also possible you could have a blown bypass capacitor or something.

    My 2 cents.

    Sweat from your fingers is the acid, and yes it will corrode copper in a few months quite happily (just leave a fingerprint on a clean copper-clad circuit board for example). Acids in the atmosphere increase the problem and if the copper gets at all damp then verdigris (copper carbonate) will form (its green and is often a feature of copper sheet roofing). This is why electrical hookup wire is usually tinned copper wire, as tin is much more inert to atmospheric and sweat attack.

    Bare copper wire should be soldered or connected with a screw-terminal.

    Some copper oxides act as a semiconductor and can rectify if in contact with a different metal. Another reason to tin it.

    [edit: and clean totally oxide-free copper is salmon pink in colour - not copper-coloured!]
  • Duane C. JohnsonDuane C. Johnson Posts: 955
    edited 2011-08-09 00:02
    Some plugboard breadboards have the power buses split in the middle.
    These may require a jumper to make them continuous.

    BTW, I use the 8 strand telephone wire, the stuff used installed behind the walls, for hookup wire on my plugboards.
    Its really cheap in 100' reals, that's 800'.
    This wire has a relatively hard plastic insulation and strips easily.

    Duane
  • LeonLeon Posts: 7,620
    edited 2011-08-09 01:25
    Solderless breadboards don't have "gas tight" connections between the clips and the wire or component leads, and they are bound to deteriorate over time, especially if power isn't supplied.
  • prof_brainoprof_braino Posts: 4,313
    edited 2011-08-09 09:11
    Mark_T wrote: »
    Sweat from your fingers is the acid,

    Also, some foks have LOTS of acid in their fingers. I had a friend who played guitar with me, and used the same Ernie Ball lights, and he would practically dissolve the strings off the guitar. He went through strings about four times faster than I did.

    Now I sometimes use latex gloves or finger cots when I'm working on projects that are tricky or touchy.
  • jrjr.jrjr. Posts: 45
    edited 2011-08-09 11:42
    Try to use the opposite side of the breadboard spring connectors when
    possible. This will afford a better connection as the spring tension is less
    when using the adjacent holes.

    Some of the breadboards were designed to have separate contact springs, but most are
    a long bar of spring material and the problem shows on that type easily.

    jr
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