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KProp FM

rogersydrogersyd Posts: 223
edited 2011-08-26 15:30 in Robotics
Another mostly complete project! This one uses the FM chip (27984), the 4 line serial lcd, a 4x4 membrane keypad, and was built on a PPDB making use of the built in DS1302 and audio amp. While not complete by any stretch, she runs fine and is virtually bug free. Optimized code this is not, and most of the objects used are unmodified objex versions. Posting it here for ha-has as I tearing her down to build something else. IMO the FM chip that Parallax has put together is WAY cool and the driver for it is well written and feature rich. Now how about an AM version? Or even better how about an AM version with SSB? Piece of cake right? 6 Months long enough to get that to market? I can wait :)

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  • N3JQDN3JQD Posts: 6
    edited 2011-07-17 11:47
    I like that FM chipset from Parallax too. I have mine running with a 2-line LCD screen also. I use a pot for volume control and I'm still working on using a pot for freq. control.
    I didn't have a keypad for direct input. Good idea. An even better idea is your SSB version(desire) of the chip. Pretty soon we could have an SDR radio chip. :)
  • ssoutherssouther Posts: 7
    edited 2011-08-19 21:46
    Just ordered one of the FM radio modules - going to run it on a QuickStart board, probably use the touch pads for control (or maybe the 4x4keypad), with output to a 4x20 lcd, so I'll be looking at your code quite a bit. Just noticed a pin for an external antenna as well.

    Just for giggles, I noticed the clock speed for the module is set with bits 4-6 of Register 0x02...immediately got to wondering what other frequency ranges could be obtained by stashing some other value than 000 in those bits? Not sure how to do that exactly, but am sure to be trying once it's all hooked up and running.

    Would appreciate any thoughts on this - the module has to frequency generate/synthesize somehow, and poking a new clock rate would have to affect the derived frequency somewhat - would be very slick if we could push this up into, say, aircraft/2m/PS band usage....I have yet to meet an FM radio IC that couldn't be used in the 144mhz range, but have to plead a bit of ignorance on the synthesis methods of this particular one...

    Maybe dreaming,

    Steve
  • Bob Lawrence (VE1RLL)Bob Lawrence (VE1RLL) Posts: 1,720
    edited 2011-08-20 12:35
    RE: KProp FM

    I'll order one later to play around with.

    @ ssouther re:I have yet to meet an FM radio IC that couldn't be used in the 144mhz range,

    Something like this?

    http://www.sparkfun.com/products/10344

    Breakout Board for Si4703 FM Tuner

    sku: BOB-10344 rohs.png
    Description: This is a breakout board for the Silicon Laboratories Si4703 FM tuner chip. Beyond being a simple FM radio, the Si4703 is also capable of detecting and processing both Radio Data Service (RDS) and Radio Broadcast Data Service (RBDS) information. The Si4703 even does a very good job of filtering and carrier detection. It also enables data such as the station ID and song name to be displayed to the user.
  • ssoutherssouther Posts: 7
    edited 2011-08-24 06:43
    I looked at that board, Bob, but didn't really see anything in the docs to establish the frequency range. I was remembering putting a TDA7000 through it's paces years ago - on the upper end 144-156 Mhz was doable (with a certain drop in sensistivity), and on the lower end I was able to receive AM down to 10Mhz or so. Not bad for a chip designed for 88-107. Am hoping to find a way to accomplish similar range changes with these new chips, but don't know if their ROM masks will support this type of activity, clock changes may just hand the whole thing up.

    The other thing I got to thinking was one would need to set/establish ALL other parameters before a final command to change clock setting, because at that point you will most likely lose the ability to communicate via I2C as well (no problem if the radio still plays, just reset and try again).

    Haven't received the board yet, if it's much later I get into the busy part of the week and won't be able to fool with it 'til next week.

    Steve
  • Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi)Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi) Posts: 23,514
    edited 2011-08-24 08:05
    Steve,

    I considered 2m ham band possibility, too. After looking at the specs, I think the way to do it is to change the crystal.

    -Phil
  • ssoutherssouther Posts: 7
    edited 2011-08-25 05:07
    Thinking about the crystal change too, Phil. Just got the board late yesterday, now I'm in my part time work phase for the week (retired) and may not get to it until next Tues/Wed, but will try to work on it some this afternoon.

    BTW, I just read your post(s) about the AM-Prop receiver and really liked what you and Beau had there - a quick question for you would be if you suspect the noise as coming from the I-Q stages or from the mixing process? The reason I ask is that I had considered using the Prop as a LO along with an incoming RF signal (slightly amplified) as inputs to a simple NE602 doubly balanced mixer. It would give me digital control and the easy ability to add keypad/lcd components for a multiband ham receiver. (The vision is a couple of different incoming RF lines and switching them (via prop pins) in and out of the mixer as the LO frequency is also changed to accomodate different bands). Using an off board mixer adds very little complexity (it's only an 8 pin device) but could maybe quiet things down some.

    Anyway, don't want to hijack this thread elsewhere, but the two subject are at least related a bit.

    Stevce



    Steve
  • Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi)Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi) Posts: 23,514
    edited 2011-08-25 09:14
    Steve,

    See this thread:

    The same technique can be used with the SA602's oscillator. I think it will give you better results than using the Propeller's clock output directly as your LO.

    -Phil
  • ssoutherssouther Posts: 7
    edited 2011-08-26 14:50
    Hi Bob,

    The board you mention is nice, but they have a chip (3734/5) which has way more frequency range - I think I'll wait on a similar breakout board for that chip instead. A brief look at Si3734 spec shows AM/SW/FM/??VHF range and that's just dying for a breakout board and uC to run everything - a fella could make one heck of a nice radio and still use to prop for input, control, logging, display, etc on a rig with lots of nice features.

    Steve
  • ssoutherssouther Posts: 7
    edited 2011-08-26 14:56
    Phil,

    I checked that thread as well, and let's just say I have a Whole lot to think about for now, especially as I looked at the Counter Object as well. The idea of being able to synth 2 freqs per cog lit many fires in my brain at once...like I said, too much to consider right now but I'll go at it slow and try and digest it in chunks I can wrap my brain around, maybe with some of you veterans' hints and tricks.

    Thanks,
    Steve
  • Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi)Phil Pilgrim (PhiPi) Posts: 23,514
    edited 2011-08-26 15:30
    The Silicon Labs chips came up in the forum last year:

    -Phil
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