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A bright idea

HollyMinkowskiHollyMinkowski Posts: 1,398
edited 2011-06-01 05:16 in General Discussion
Jerry Ellsworth has built a brain wave monitor and connected
its output to a light bulb that floats over her head and lights up
to indicate brain activity level.. :-)

http://hackaday.com/2011/05/30/a-bright-idea/
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What a cool idea! I'd have built it into one of those plastic tiaras
that usually come with those cheap little girl's princess costumes.
You could put LEDs all over it to indicate brain activity..and it would
be a lot cuter than a floating light bulb.
(I have pics of me wearing one of these costumes when I was a little Jewish Princess ..lol)

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  • ercoerco Posts: 20,261
    edited 2011-05-31 10:40
    Hey, that gives me an idea for a product!
  • K2K2 Posts: 693
    edited 2011-05-31 10:49
    Seriously, that's a fantastic idea. LEDs in a tiara are much more interesting than a light bulb, although I appreciate the conventional symbolism. Inasmuch as you are a princess of programming, it's also more appropriate. What sort of circuitry and/or sensors are necessary to detect brain activity?
  • HollyMinkowskiHollyMinkowski Posts: 1,398
    edited 2011-05-31 11:01
    When I wrote software at my Uncle's company they had
    a project that detected brain waves. It was all centered around
    a very sensitive op amp. The entire circuit only had a handful of parts
    so it can't be that complicated. I bet there is an open-source
    project somewhere to look at.

    I worked on the software for that device. It was pretty simple
    software to write. I don't know very much about the hardware though.
    Just the fact it had a really sensitive op amp in there that connected
    to the probes...I think there was a resistor in between the probe
    lines and the op amp connections. I have photos of the board in
    the documentation for the software.

    I do remember there were some filters in the circuit to limit interference
    from things like nearby electrical wiring. Those filters and the software
    got rid of unwanted signals.
  • LeonLeon Posts: 7,620
    edited 2011-05-31 11:13
    I did something similar many years ago for a simple electro-oculography system, for monitoring eye movement. I used a pair of very expensive isolated instrumentation amplifiers on the electrode inputs for safety, lots of filters, and some electronics to superimpose a marker on a video image from a head-mounted camera. The electrodes were silver/silver chloride, used with electrode jelly, and we had to abrade the skin around the eye to get a decent signal.
  • HollyMinkowskiHollyMinkowski Posts: 1,398
    edited 2011-05-31 11:26
    Leon wrote: »
    The electrodes were silver/silver chloride, used with electrode jelly, and we had to abrade the skin around the eye to get a decent signal.

    Yikes! :-(

    Abrading the skin near the eye sounds awful.

    We had this stretchy cap thingy that went over the head and held down
    electrodes to the scalp... a nasty blue slime was used to help get good
    contact. I had to repeatedly use this rig while debugging my code since
    I needed a signal source. The goo was a mess to get out of your hair.
    (reminded me of something else but I will say no more)

    The caps would get all icky and were too flimsy to wash in a machine
    and too expensive to treat as disposable. I got the bizarre idea to use
    a disposable toddler sized diaper in place of the cap...right size and it
    was stretchy enough to work because of the gathers at the waist and
    legs....they laughed until I put one on my head and proved it worked just
    as well... and they cost less than .50 each. :-) girl power...no guy would
    ever have thought of this..haha engineer guys don't usually have much
    experience with diapers...well maybe erco does because of the twins :-)
  • LeonLeon Posts: 7,620
    edited 2011-05-31 11:42
    We tried sandpaper, but my colleague's wife didn't like it when he went home with scabs on his face! :)

    Rubbing with a paper towel and electrode jelly worked just as well, and didn't damage the skin.

    I was also involved with heart rate measurement via a wireless link, for a big project, for which a couple of chest electrodes needed to be used. Management thought that women involved in the study might not want electrodes attached to their chests, so I went round the site conducting a survey. None of the women objected, but one said it depended on who was attaching the electrodes. In fact, they would have attached them themselves. After six months designing the study and scheduling over 100 subjects, half from on site and half from the local university, the project was canceled!
  • mindrobotsmindrobots Posts: 6,506
    edited 2011-05-31 11:52
    I saw this last night and then had a nightmare...

    ...built a prototype, found it didn't didn't work....was afraid to ask someone to help me test it for fear of THEM being able to light it up!

    Rick
  • MicrocontrolledMicrocontrolled Posts: 2,461
    edited 2011-05-31 11:52
    @Holly: LOL! A diaper on your head! If only you had a picture.....
  • HollyMinkowskiHollyMinkowski Posts: 1,398
    edited 2011-05-31 12:16
    Microcontrolled

    If I remember correctly they were girls overnite
    Huggies. The size 5 or 6 seemed just the right size
    and the padding was thick enough and in just the
    right places to put the right amount of pressure on
    the electrodes for a good reading. It seems the adult
    human head is the same size as a toddlers bottom.
    The velcro like tabs at the waist allowed for adjustment
    for small or large craniums.

    erco could try this at home and let us know what he thinks.
    maybe he could supply a picture. :-)

    here is an image of a little girl with an EEG cap on.
    You can see how a diaper could be made to work
    for the same purpose. (isn't she adorable)
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  • edited 2011-05-31 12:24
    Jerry Ellsworth has built a brain wave monitor and connected
    its output to a light bulb that floats over her head and lights up
    to indicate brain activity level.. :-)

    I've seen this before:
  • JLockeJLocke Posts: 354
    edited 2011-06-01 02:44
    The current (Vol. 26) issue of Make: magazine has an article on "a controller driven by your brain waves". I'm currently at work, so I don't have the issue in front of me to give specifics (sorry). I think they were using some type of headset with only one contact point for the input.
  • electrosyselectrosys Posts: 212
    edited 2011-06-01 05:16
    OpenEEG project, is a good place to look: http://openeeg.sourceforge.net/doc/index.html
    Here is another EEG project, brain hack: http://frontiernerds.com/brain-hack
    They used a Mind Flex and Arduino + PC (Processing) Mind Flex has a serial output(inside) which is a good and easy place to start from.
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